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ICE car parked in supercharger spot

NigelM

Recovering Member
Apr 3, 2011
13,386
555
Northern Virginia
In this case, they may not be able to forbid it, because they are using spaces at an Interstate rest stop, and the state probably has rules about that.

Lobbying at a state level is needed. It worked well in Florida where you will now get ticketed for parking an ICE on an EV spot; it's taking time for people to get used to it, but we're slowly getting there.
 

mitch672

Active Member
Jul 1, 2012
1,861
13
Stoughton, MA
Lobbying at a state level is needed. It worked well in Florida where you will now get ticketed for parking an ICE on an EV spot; it's taking time for people to get used to it, but we're slowly getting there.

Yes, I suggested that in post #43

The governor of CT is an EV fan, that and add in "revenue enhancement", it's an easy sell...
 

tdiggity

Member
Oct 3, 2012
725
4
Bay Area, CA
Lobbying at a state level is needed. It worked well in Florida where you will now get ticketed for parking an ICE on an EV spot; it's taking time for people to get used to it, but we're slowly getting there.

Supercharger spots aren't EV spots. They are Tesla spots. Which makes it a bit more confusing for the average law-man.
 

Larry Chanin

President, Florida Tesla Enthusiasts
Aug 22, 2011
4,900
737
Sarasota, Florida
Supercharger spots aren't EV spots. They are Tesla spots. Which makes it a bit more confusing for the average law-man.

With all due respect I don't follow your reasoning. They are certainly EV spots. They may or may not be Tesla private spots depending on what Tesla negotiated with the host site. However, are you really suggesting that if a state law was passed that prohibited ICE vehicles from parking in EV parking spaces that law enforcement wouldn't figure what to do? We've got a lot of Floridiots in our state, but I have no doubt that both ICE drivers and law enforcement know what they should be doing in an EV parking space with proper signage and markings.

Larry
 

Lloyd

Well-Known Member
Jan 12, 2011
6,252
2,039
San Luis Obispo, CA
Tesla needs to make it more clear that the spot is only for Tesla vehicles, and others will be towed. The current signage is small and not obvious that you are subject to towing.
 

Larry Chanin

President, Florida Tesla Enthusiasts
Aug 22, 2011
4,900
737
Sarasota, Florida
Tesla needs to make it more clear that the spot is only for Tesla vehicles, and others will be towed. The current signage is small and not obvious that you are subject to towing.

Hi Lloyd,

Yes, that's true, but according to a Tesla spokeswoman currently in Connecticut they are not subject to towing. Refer to posting #41.

Larry
 

tdiggity

Member
Oct 3, 2012
725
4
Bay Area, CA
With all due respect I don't follow your reasoning. They are certainly EV spots. They may or may not be Tesla private spots depending on what Tesla negotiated with the host site. However, are you really suggesting that if a state law was passed that prohibited ICE vehicles from parking in EV parking spaces that law enforcement wouldn't figure what to do? We've got a lot of Floridiots in our state, but I have no doubt that both ICE drivers and law enforcement know what they should be doing in an EV parking space with proper signage and markings.

Larry

I was simply pointing out that designating a supercharger spot as EV only wouldn't stop Leafs/Volts/etc from parking there. Different problem, but similar.
 

Robert.Boston

Model S VIN P01536
Oct 7, 2011
7,844
36
Portland, Maine, USA
My point exactly...... They need to label them obviously so they can be enforced!
You can't put up a sign threatening to tow someone if you don't have the legal right to tow them. As noted by others, what's needed is a concerted lobbying push to make parking a non plug-in vehicle in an EV charging spot a ticket+tow offense. Of course, then you get into the messy details, as we've seen in California: if I park my Model S in an EV spot but don't plug in, should I be towed? What if I did plug in, but then someone unplugs me (either to borrow the plug after I'm done, or just to be malicious)? Sticky issues here that have been discussed at length on other threads.
 

Lloyd

Well-Known Member
Jan 12, 2011
6,252
2,039
San Luis Obispo, CA
I'm sure that Tesla owns or leases the sites for the superchargers. They have the right to determine who can park, and who is subject to towing, subject to proper posting, not any government agency!
 

Larry Chanin

President, Florida Tesla Enthusiasts
Aug 22, 2011
4,900
737
Sarasota, Florida
I'm sure that Tesla owns or leases the sites for the superchargers. They have the right to determine who can park, and who is subject to towing, subject to proper posting, not any government agency!

Of course that is contrary to what a Tesla spokeswoman is quoted as having said.

Larry
 

bonnie

I play a nice person on twitter.
Feb 6, 2011
16,427
9,739
Columbia River Gorge
Well, they're caught. They probably DO have the legal right to tow, but also (if they're thinking) don't want to get a reputation for towing. I can see the headline, "Tesla Tows Single Mom Picking Up Milk for Kids". Or maybe they tow who would have been their next new customer.

If it becomes a real problem over the long-term, they'll have to act. But let's give the general public a little bit of time, with education and proper signage (that needs to be fixed pronto), to do the right thing.
 

MikeK

R#129, TSLA shareholder
Jun 29, 2012
1,133
1
San Francisco Bay Area
Sadly I have known many people who will park at a gas pump and not actually purchase gasoline. They go into the store and buy whatever, then walk back out to their car at the pump. And almost all of the people I know who do this, have done this with all the pumps taken up.

I hope that you delivered a stronger than average dope slap.
 

ElSupreme

Model S 03182
Jan 13, 2012
4,303
89
Atlanta, GA
And well today on my penultimate tank fill up (I'll have to fill up before I return my friends truck) I went to a QT and there were 6 pumps, and 6 cars. There was *ONE* person pumping, who started as I was creeping around the pumps. They finished and drove off quickly (because they actually looked, and saw me waiting). Then the person, who was already at a pump, pulled forward into the new spot I was lined up at. I drove around to the recently vacated spot. All this time there was NO ONE pumping but all the slots filled. I started pumping gas, as well as another person. I finished. The lady who took my spot still had not started pumping. As I was turning out the lady finally got out of her Tahoe and swiped her card.

All in all I waited for someone's full fill up. Then did my full fill-up (20 gallons worth). And at all 6 pumps there were 3 people who filled up, or even had a nozzle in their car the whole time. And there were no empty slots the entire time.

I am so glad I won't have to deal with gas stations ever again.
 

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