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ICE parking on Charging Station spots ticketable in Florida

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  1. NigelM

    NigelM Recovering Member

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    #1 NigelM, Apr 20, 2012
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    At the St Petersburg Earth Day event today I was told that from June there will be a State Ordinance allowing ticketing of ICE vehicles that are parked on charging station spots. I have no details and couldn't find anything online.

    Anyone else heard anything?

    P.S. Pic taken this morning in St Petersburg. Warren drove to another charge station which was also occupied by an ICE....

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    It's not already?!?!? o_O
     
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    Larry did some following up with the guy we were talking to and it all looks much more promising, effective July 1st:

    Cross posted.
     
  4. Larry Chanin

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    Hi Nigel,

    So does this mean that the St. Petersburg practice of permitting ICE vehicles to park in EV spots is illegal by virtue of state regulations?

    Larry
     
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    Yes. Statewide laws over-ride County or City ordinances. Good that our Manatee County friend had more info than the St Pete officials (and thanks again to you for following up).
     
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    Hey there guys, this is the "Manatee County friend" checking in. My ears were buzzing and I figured it was about time that I joined the Tesla Motor Club forum. Currently, I work for the City of Bradenton where I head up the sustainability program and manage the City's charging station project. I'm really passionate about electric vehicles and try to stay on top of any related industry or government-based initiatives so if you ever have any questions, please feel free to send them my way.

    Yes, the State of Florida's move to enforce ICE parking violations in charging station spots is definitely a positive step forward. For months I've been trying to get the administration here at the City to allow citations to be assessed against violators but have been consistently told no based on the reasoning that "there's not enough electric vehicles on the road" and "they don't want to rub people the wrong way." Sadly that sentiment seems to be the norm for most cities and counties in FL but given this new legislation, that will all change. One thing that I will say about St. Pete's stations is that they MUST do a better job of signing and marking them. Initially when we first installed our charging stations we had just signs and bollards in place and ICE drivers were parking in front of them consistently. However as soon as we added green parking spot striping and symbols, that all came to a stop. I don't know if drivers simply weren't noticing the stations before or if adding the enhancements made the parking spots look more "official" and thus scared them into thinking they'd get a ticket but nevertheless, it makes a BIG difference.
     
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    Hi Ben,

    Welcome to the forum.

    Nigel and I want to thank you for your research on this subject, it was extremely helpful.

    Larry
     
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    Bump: This became law this week.
     
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    "It is unlawful for a person to stop, stand, or park a vehicle that is not capable of using an electric recharging station within any parking space specifically designated for charging a vehicle. If a law enforcement officer finds a motor vehicle in violation of this subsection, the officer or specialist shall charge the operator or other person in charge of the vehicle in violation with a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as provided in s. 316.008(4) or s. 318.18."

    I thought I would print that up and slap it on the windscreens of violators.
     
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    Now we just need to get 49 more states to pass this law!
     
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    I wish it did more to say the specific charging station in question.

    For instance, I think a LEAF could park in front of a Tesla station, or a Roadster could park in front of a CHAdeMO.
    Not all EV parking spots are equivalent.
     
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    That would require more "thinking" from parking enforcement and we still have the problem for ICE drivers with different signage in every municipality. IMO Florida made a good start with this new parking law.
     
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    Happy to report that Sarasota County has started putting in signage:

    Admin Center EVSE Signage.jpg

    Although local spots were ICE'd today just before signs go up, let's hope that people learn to read them:

    Marina Jacks.JPG St Armands 2.JPG St Armands.JPG
     
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    Thanks Nigel,

    I hope the signage works, but I fear that we're going to need to have the parking spots prominantly painted as well.

    Larry
     
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    ICErs are gonna ICE.

    Only fines will stop them.
     
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    Hi Eric,

    Florida has a statute that imposses fines and towing. However, these are newly installed chargers and the locals are not accustomed to looking for the EV signs quoting the statute. I feel painting the parking space to make it more obvious will assist in detering ICEing for those who did not deliberately intend to park in an EV space.

    Larry
     
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    securedownload.jpeg Thought this signage was pretty good, saw this in Vacaville near Napa in Ca.

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    securedownload.jpeg This is the charge station, actually the first I had seen close up, maybe it will help us newbies.

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    securedownload-1.jpeg Better of painted spot
     
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    Thanks for posting *wstuff*, whereabouts in FL are you? Some of our efforts are trying to get unified signage around the FL counties.
     
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    Hi Nigel, we are in Sebring, Highlands county. We have been gone since March but are in N cal on our way home for an eta about the middle of October. I am very excited about Tesla and have to wait till about April for our S but hope to attend some Fl EV events when we get home.
     

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