-
Want to remove ads? Register an account and login to see fewer ads, and become a Supporting Member to remove almost all ads.
ID.4 Canadian pricing announced, undercuts MY LR AWD by $20k CAD :(
- Thread starter angus[Y]oung
- Start date
at $50k, it qualifies for the federal and provincial incentives in Canada, this further widens the price gap between ID4 and MY.
Last edited:
Who that’s quite a price difference don’t know how the MY will price when it comes to U.K. but the ID. 4 is not a long range cruiser with a real range of just 200+- miles and the MY is just a blown up model 3 never beautiful but still a great preforming EV. DONT GET 20” unless you want a rock hard ride.
![angus[Y]oung](/tmc/data/avatars/l/141/141264.jpg?1620160343){kind=avatar}
@chachinggg I don't consider my partner and I budget buyers and we can afford the MY and have one on order. But it's hard not to notice that even ignoring the government incentives, there is a massive price difference between these not entirely dissimilar vehicles. Yes the MY is better in many ways, but is it $5k better? $10k better? $15k better? $20k better? These are subjective things of course and I don't think we're likely to change course but if you're pre-purchase (haven't bought your Tesla yet), you're doing yourself a disservice to not at least consider an alternative like this.
We were considering alternatives that were similarly priced to the MY such as MME Premium AWD with the larger battery, Polestar 2, XC40 Recharge, and still prefer the MY overall (though all have pros and cons). Then the pricing for the ID.4 comes along and I have to say it's hard to ignore. Again, still prefer the MY and likely to stick with it, but what is the opportunity cost of the price difference?
The thing is, we shouldn't be thinking about "the VW charging network". The car has a CCS plug, any DC fast charger with a CCS plug will work. Just like ICE cars that can fill up at any gas station, EVs can charge at any charger. Tesla in America is different and I believe it'S unfortunate. Don'T get me wrong, the supercharger network is one of the reasons I went with a Tesla, but I think in the long run it will be a hindrance more than a plus. Look at Europe where a law forced Tesla to go with a CCS (-2) plug. I think that benefits all Tesla owners since they can ALSO charge on other networks, without an adapter.
Granted, non-tesla charging networks still seem lacking, sometimes offline etc. I'm sure they will get better as years go by and more manufacturers bring credible options to the market. The VW ID.4 is a credible option and has a price to stir the market up. I think that's a good thing for everyone.
The other thing is, not everyone goes on 1000 mile trips all the time. Many people just roam around the city with the occasional trip. For those, it's probable that the CCS chargers will work fine. The ID.4 seems to have a very good charging curve, at 125kW for a good SOC range. I think it will do very well.
Granted, non-tesla charging networks still seem lacking, sometimes offline etc. I'm sure they will get better as years go by and more manufacturers bring credible options to the market. The VW ID.4 is a credible option and has a price to stir the market up. I think that's a good thing for everyone.
The other thing is, not everyone goes on 1000 mile trips all the time. Many people just roam around the city with the occasional trip. For those, it's probable that the CCS chargers will work fine. The ID.4 seems to have a very good charging curve, at 125kW for a good SOC range. I think it will do very well.
I do agree with you in this sense, I didn't mean to say you were a budget buyer I was just pointing to the fact that a lot of people (I've been there) would be attracted to the price points of these cars and as a result leading to somewhat of an unfair comparison because the MY is priced differently than the ID4. TBH I think both cars are great cars, it's just the MY has more techy perks and if you're that kind of person that might be for you, but if you value more on functionality/price combination then maybe the ID4 is a better pick. I do wanna point out you might want to look into charging infrastructure (how accessible and how easy) and also how easy the model Y infotainment system (the computer) works compared to the ID4 (I actually looked up numerous youtube videos on the ID4 just to see how they compare). This is just my 2 cents, good luck with your future purchase!
AdamMacDon
Member
Probably for better rust resistance and lower maintenance. Stopping power in an EV with regen braking is fairly irrelevant generally, and same with brake feel (especially in the age of blended braking). Not to mention the painful pad replacements are likely very rare in an EV. I still wouldn't want drum brakes, but I can see the upsides in a commuter EV.
alesgaroth
Blue LRY 7 Seats, Tow
I considered the ID.4 as I was saving up to get the Y. It came down to range and charging speed. According to ABRP, in winter weather I should be able to do a round trip to visit my parents and brother and spend a total of 2 hours (along the way, not including time at their houses) charging by following the most logical roads with the Y. With the ID.4, it's closer to 6 hours of charge time, with some pretty extreme detours to get to chargers.
@alesgaroth , if I am not mistaken ABRP might have wrong estimates for the ID.4 at the moment. I think that's what Bjorn Nyland was saying on youtube? The car might just be too new to have good stats. Look at his video (from today) on the 1000km test with the ID.4. You might be surprised of the results.
You were really struggling with trying to justify it, huh? 
It's easier just to say "I can't afford the Tesla or Audi" and people might actually believe you.
It's easier just to say "I can't afford the Tesla or Audi" and people might actually believe you.
Similar size battery to MY, but 20% less range and slower/more sluggish performance = inefficiency!
alesgaroth
Blue LRY 7 Seats, Tow
Hunh, his video says 82kwh battery and ABRP has an option for a 75kwh battery, nothing about a bigger one. That may be some of it. It also has to do with where I'm going. There's not a lot of good charging options along the highway toward their houses. It's being built up, but will be a few years likely. I don't expect to get something as good as Bjorn Nyland got driving in Europe.
I think the 82kWh battery has 77kWh usable... Anyway. Its consumption is pretty high indeed, and our charger networks are not as good as Bjorn' region, you're right. Here the CCS chargers are 50kW so it would definitely be slow. Still, Bjorn's 1000km test shows that it has potential, once the charging networks step up.
I've seen 350kW Chargers in Quebec. Just like the many 75kW Tesla Chargers you'll need to wait for the CCS ones to be upgraded to 350.
Has anyone used the Petro Canada Electric Highway which is complete and supposed to have 350kW CCS charger from coast to coast?
Cost is C$0.33 per minute in Ontario.
dj_gon
Member
American, what are you even talking about? Do you know how to read? I have 2 M3 but looking to upgrade to one of them to a MY. I'm not doing so yet because it is the not biggest bang for the buck in CANADA... Fyi, this is Canadian thread talking about pricing in Canada..You were really struggling with trying to justify it, huh?
It's easier just to say "I can't afford the Tesla or Audi" and people might actually believe you.
I am surprised at the ID.4 having rear drum brakes. Are there other cars in this price range with drum brakes? I had drum brakes in the first 10-12 years of my owning cars. My first, in 1970, the Fiat 124 Spyder, lost braking going down a small mountain; I stopped with downshifting and the emergency brake. I've never had fade with disc brakes in my M3 or any other car. I live in the Northeast where the salt is not spared and have not had disc damage from that. I don't see the drum brake as saving a lot of money in maintenance-and what do you have to do to check the sealed unit? They probably spent a lot to develop it and I am not sure why. Also, the mileage rating of 250 is too low for my driving habits.
ID4 Nice family CUV with VW fit and finish .. however, Canada as well as the US still lags behind in providing long distance charging
services that are reliable and widely available for EV's. The ID4 is not designed for sporty driving and as such has much slower acceleration
times then Tesla and many other EV's. I believe one review reported around 8 seconds 0-60. In today's aggressive driving world, that
can be dangerous when trying to merge onto a highway or when trying to avoid a problem ahead.
It's a nice car, software is still very buggy according to reviews but will eventually get better. Sometimes one has to consider more then
the price of a vehicle when making their choice. There are day to day driving concerns that need to be taken into account.
If the ID4 meets all those concerns then have at it. I still smile everyday when I drive my 2015 Tesla Model S, even with all of it's little
fit and finish imperfections, it's like climbing into a cockpit of a jet daily and I'm no spring chicken.
P.S. regarding the rear drum brakes... they're VW's way of providing the best regen according to several reviews.
services that are reliable and widely available for EV's. The ID4 is not designed for sporty driving and as such has much slower acceleration
times then Tesla and many other EV's. I believe one review reported around 8 seconds 0-60. In today's aggressive driving world, that
can be dangerous when trying to merge onto a highway or when trying to avoid a problem ahead.
It's a nice car, software is still very buggy according to reviews but will eventually get better. Sometimes one has to consider more then
the price of a vehicle when making their choice. There are day to day driving concerns that need to be taken into account.
If the ID4 meets all those concerns then have at it. I still smile everyday when I drive my 2015 Tesla Model S, even with all of it's little
fit and finish imperfections, it's like climbing into a cockpit of a jet daily and I'm no spring chicken.
P.S. regarding the rear drum brakes... they're VW's way of providing the best regen according to several reviews.
Similar threads
