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If you Do Not Order Autopilot Convenience Features do you get Cruise Control?

Discussion in 'Model S: User Interface' started by ArtInCT, Jul 22, 2015.

  1. ArtInCT

    ArtInCT Always Learning

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    In looking over my upcoming build, I was pondering the Autopilot Convenience Features (ACF) package...

    Just about the only features in that package that I would desire are the on/off high beams and the TACC Traffic Aware Cruise Control.

    I began to wonder, what type of Cruise Control do you get, if any, if you do not order the ACF?

    Plain old cruise control is more than good enough for me and I could always add the ACF feature if desired at a future time (it is retrofittable).
     
  2. SabrToothSqrl

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    Plain old cruise, and for the love of god man, order the AutoPilot.
     
  3. Hank42

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    "for the love of god" ?
    While I agree that regular cruise control is almost useless these days, the autopilot package has a lot of bells and whistles when all someone might want is a small bell like ACC. I know I would pay a small premium for that function, but the rest of it is a waste, and I would not spend the extra money for it.
     
  4. ArtInCT

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    #4 ArtInCT, Jul 22, 2015
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    Well, my current daily driver is a Volvo XC60 R-Design which has the first-gen Mobileye Adaptive Cruise Control. It works very well. However, I have kept track of the number of times that I have used it in the last month.... Once.

    The situation here in my daily driving routes is that in rural Connecticut, the roads that i travel upon DO NOT lend themselves to ACC therefore TACC would probably not be utilized much if at all. I do not do much highway driving. The roads present themselves as stone wall lined, two lane country roads for the most part, many with simple center lane markers.

    I just checked with my local sales specialist and indeed, even if I order the car without the ACF package I can alway have it retrofitted (software key update) at a future time. I was assured (at present) that all of the ACF sensors would be there at build time, even if I do not order the ACF on initial build.

    Now if I was normally driving in road situations that would allow me to take advantage of ACF features that would be another matter.

    Driving situations and use cases are not all the same.
     
  5. ecarfan

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    The "plain old" cruise control on my Dec 2013 build is very good and I use it often. I am sure that something similar comes on current cars without the Autopilot option.
    If I was ordering a new Model S today I would definitely order the Autopilot option for two reasons: I think once it is fully rolled out and refined over time it will be useful on long trips and it will make the car easier to sell used.
     
  6. Max*

    Max* Autopilot != Autonomous

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    Actually the autopilot only has ACC and auto-highbeams at the moment.

    The rest may or may not come out at some unknown point in the unknown future.
     
  7. CTShore

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    Packages keep changing. In March 2015, it was lumped into the Tech Package, as a future update. I ordered it for the high beams & cornering lights, not knowing what else I'd eventually want to use. Then I found TACC on a 280 mile trip. It is awesome. Use it every day on drive to work.
     
  8. yobigd20

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    Honestly, the major reason (besides cost) that I wouldn't upgrade my early P85 to a new model or even to an MX is due to the current TACC implementation - aka, it's limited to 75mph. I had a loaner last week and this was KILLING me that I couldn't set cruise control higher than 75mph. Going 75mph on the NJ Turnpike is SLOWWWWWW even people in the slow lane were passing me. Its awful.
     
  9. Max*

    Max* Autopilot != Autonomous

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    That's because it was a loaner. I'm pretty sure I've had my TACC set to 80mph before.

    Yep, had it to set to 80mph on my first roadtrip: 70D first roadtrip

    - - - Updated - - -

    Also the manual doesn't state anything about a speed limitation for TACC. Only a minimum speed of 18mph.
     
  10. travwill

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    Yeah, even on cars with AP regular old cruise works fine. If there is no car in front of you (very far away even) then it lights up as grey cruise icon. Regular old cruise in operation.

    With AP, as soon as it can detect a car in your lane in front of you, it turns blue and into adaptive cruise, AP mode. It actually isn't a bad feature as it just will keep speeding up like regular cruise until it gets to your minimal distance from cars you have present (or used last). Regular cruise would technically just ram the car in front of you if you don't cancel it or decelerate. ;-) If you change lanes and into one where there is again no car in front of you, your back in regular cruise mode (grey) again.

    -T
     
  11. yobigd20

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    interesting. i read about the limitation from others who owned (not loaners) on the forums but this was the first I had driven one with TACC so I saw it myself. The speed limitation that I know of has to deal with top speed - not cruise control speed. None of the loans I've driven ever had a cap on top speed but this limit on cruise control is lame.
     
  12. Max*

    Max* Autopilot != Autonomous

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    There is a limitation to 85mph for blind spot monitoring. And I've had a notice kick up anywhere from 80mph to 85mph (I think) that blind spot detection is disabled.


    I've never tried TACC above 80mph, but I am 100% certain that I've used it AT 80mph with no problems on my car.
     
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    ok well thats good at least. duly noted for future MX purchase...can't afford it now lol
     
  14. AmpedRealtor

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    It makes no sense to pay for Autopilot when there is no such feature currently shipping with the car. It's a future promise that Tesla has been making since October 2014. Don't pay for something you don't get.
     
  15. dsm363

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    It makes sense because you can't add the hardware later. If you want a car now you must order it with the hardware to have the features added via software later.
     
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    i thought the autopilot hardware was standard on all cars and the option is really just 100% extra software features using the existing hardware..
     
  17. supratachophobia

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    I don't mean this to be an anti-autopilot post, but it's a matter of a software update/cost later on down the road and I had to make the choice again, I'd opt out of two options above for now. No offense meant for Tesla, but the other features aren't even released yet and we dont know how long it will take for them to iron out the remainder of the bugs. They have admitted that it is still reading lines wrong in the road as recently as last week. But here is a newsflash: it was doing that back in November/December of last year when it first came out. Skid marks, poorly painted lines, wet spots, and snow tracks all threw the lane departure in a tizzy.

    I think it's great that Tesla has decided to pioneer or at least join other leaders in pursuing this technology. But it's hard and in hindsight, they should have just shut-up about it until they actually had a full suite to offer. Although, with the exception of blind-spot monitoring, that's more of a safety feature and not auto-pilot.

    As for TACC; personally, I'm usually the fastest guy in the left lane so there really isnt anyone else in front to set the cruise to: :) But they really should let the driver choose between TACC and Classic Cruise Control as an option.

    And yes, can confirm on loaners, cruise control period does not work above 75mph.

    I've said this before a couple of times. It seems like their dev teams are all one group, so that the interface guys are the same programmers that do the auto-pilot software. From a proper dev standpoint, they really need to split these guys/gals into two groups. Either have a strictly auto-pilot group or do a driving dynamics group and then an infotainment group. But here is the truly evil plan that would allow:

    You restrict all the driving dynamic stuff in the SDK and release it so that 3rd party developers can touch all the stuff that wouldn't necessarily kill you if it went wrong. Then you shrink your infotainment group down to just a bug check/software verification teams. You let all the 3rd party guys make the software, add the bells and whistles people want, track change-logs and progress, and you sit back with your coffee and make sure there aren't any glaring memory leaks or performance issues. Basically I've just described a app store.
     
  18. rlang59

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    The hardware is there on all builds autopilot functionality can be added for $3k after delivery according to the Design Studio.
     
  19. Max*

    Max* Autopilot != Autonomous

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    Unless you want to pay $2,500 for TACC and auto-highbeams.

    Hardware is there on all cars now.

    Correct. Compared to $2500+tax when you "pre-order" it.
     
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    My TACC goes to 90.
     

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