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Discussion in 'Model S' started by rdalcanto, Mar 11, 2015.

  1. rdalcanto

    rdalcanto Member

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    You can buy a Tesla in Communist China, but the following people voted to block Tesla from selling it's cars in Utah. They care more about protecting an outdated business model, than supporting a ground breaking AMERICAN car company that, according to Consumer Reports, builds the best car ever tested with a score of 99/100, and that has the highest customer satisfaction rating of any car. It also helps address Utah's terrible air quality problem. We need to make sure that every corrupt politician on this list is voted out of office. Please share this on your page so that everyone can see their names.
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    Johnny Anderson 34 Republican
    Patrice M Arent 36 Democratic
    Stewart E. Barlow 17 Republican
    Joel K Briscoe 25 Democratic
    Melvin R Brown 53 Republican
    Rebecca Chavez-Houck 24 Democratic
    Chew, Scott H. 55 Republican
    LaVar Christensen 32 Republican
    Rich Cunningham 50 Republican
    Brad L Dee 11 Republican
    DiCaro, Sophia M. 31 Republican
    Susan Duckworth 22 Democratic
    Rebecca P Edwards 20 Republican
    Steve Eliason 45 Republican
    Gage Froerer 8 Republican
    Stephen G Handy 16 Republican
    Hollins, Sandra 23 Democratic
    Eric K Hutchings 38 Republican
    Don L Ipson 75 Republican
    Ken Ivory 47 Republican
    King, Brad 69 Democratic
    Brian S King 28 Democratic
    Bradley G Last 71 Republican
    Kay L McIff 70 Republican
    Miller, Justin J. 40 Democratic
    Merrill F. Nelson 68 Republican
    Michael E Noel 73 Republican
    Curtis Oda 14 Republican
    Lee B Perry 29 Republican
    Jeremy A Peterson 9 Republican
    Val L Peterson 59 Republican
    Paul Ray 13 Republican
    Angela Romero 26 Democratic
    Douglas Sagers 21 Republican
    Sandall, Scott D. 1 Republican
    Schultz, Mike 12 Republican
    V. Lowry Snow 74 Republican
    Jon E. Stanard 62 Republican
     
  2. bonnie

    bonnie Oil is for sissies.

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    stevezzzz R;SigS;P85D;SigX

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    "Dealershit" must have been a typo, Bonnie... :wink:
     
  4. Denarius

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    I posted it. I also emailed every single person that voted it down.
     
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  6. bonnie

    bonnie Oil is for sissies.

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    Of course it was.
     
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    Brian King (House district 28 and minority leader) replied to my email. Lame excuses is all I can say.
     
  8. bonnie

    bonnie Oil is for sissies.

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    I don't understand why he's saying they'd lose out on sales tax. Doesn't Utah DMV collect sales tax at time of registration, if it hasn't yet been paid? That's how it works in most places.
     
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    That is a very good point Bonnie.

    As I remember it that is how it worked when I bought my LEAF from a dealer in CA and had it shipped to Utah.
     
  10. Trnsl8r

    Trnsl8r Blue 85kwh since 12/8/12

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    Thanks for posting that. I can see his point about not rushing bills through, that would be bad, but these two sentences irk me:

    What would be stopping the Utah dealerships themselves from selling cars online? How is that a loophole? I'm sure that happens already. And I don't see how sales tax revenue would be removed, don't you collect that when you register the car with the DMV?

    Who do they think work in Tesla's stores? They're not working class? And I'm sure Tesla can add some community support (little league and stuff I heard) to the stores' budgets.
     
  11. Chris TX

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    " undercutting our dealerships here in Utah in addition to removing sales tax proceeds from car sales. "

    So the wording ALSO included doing away with sales tax on EVs? Allowing the sale of EVs and doing away with sales tax on EVs should be two separate things. If they tried to remove the sales tax in the bill, it sounds like it did need further investigation. If they don't know what that means for the state's economy, they do need to take the time to see what that means. Cleaner are is nice, though.
     
  12. AudubonB

    AudubonB Mild-mannered Moderator Lord Vetinari*

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    Some points to rebut the concerns. These should be used - you might wish to tweak them if you can think of ways better tailored to a specific person - in any discussion with one of your solons:

    * sales tax collected is absolutely independent of the dealership model

    * Tesla service/sales center employees are absolutely equal to those of franchise dealers' employees in terms of being economic entities

    * Tesla service/sales operations DO create economic multiplier effects: they do cascade business for local tire distributors, shop material distributors, building maintenance operators, sign/banner shops, employee servicers such as luncheonettes. Other than not patronizing oil/lube distributors, there is ZERO functional difference to the local or state economy between a dealership that is owned by a parent company (TM), and one owned by an independent franchisor.
     
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    Maybe they're more concerned about missing road tax at the gasoline pumps for EV, in general, and they want to suppress the popularity of EV. You know, too much range in a Tesla... makes it too viable for that expansive state.

    But with a model that Oregon state is offering, whole new take on road tax now... that will catch EV, if you'd be foolish enough to volunteer for it.
    State of Oregon: Road Usage Charge Program
     
  14. neuroman

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    I have an S85D on order for May delivery & was very disappointed in the outcome of the vote...I had written both representatives (I vote in Park City & have a condo in SLC) & sent the petition to my friends.... The Summit county rep voted in favor but the SLC rep voted against (no surprise with all of the dealerships in her district). However, the impact on Tesla and visibility of the store in the valley may be slight....I called tesla & they indicated that one won't be able to place a downpayment in the store (but you can use their computer to do so), sales people can't discuss pricing (but you can look at the stickers on showroom vehicles), and you can't take delivery at the store (they truck it to your home). All the other stuff....test drives, service center, supercharger, etc are unaffected. Still, sends (cough!), the (hack!), wrong (choke!) message in our polluted inverted city...
     
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    I don't know politics from a hole in the ground, but his reply seems to be a boiler-plate response that the legislators had a staff member write up hurriedly in order to mollify the Tesla owners and future customers in Utah.

    As others correctly pointed out, some of his excuses for voting against the legislation are specious at best.
     
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    I think it would be nice if the local Tesla owners started having Cars and Coffee events at the Salt Lake City Tesla Store on Saturday mornings. they could open the events to other EV's as well. Owners could legally provide ordering,delivery and pricing information to any person who comes by. They could even assist in placing orders. I would guess that Tesla would provide the K-cups and hot water. I might even consider driving up from San Diego myself to help out.
     
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    #17 breser, Mar 11, 2015
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    Text of the bill located here:
    Utah State Legislature

    I don't really see how they could lose out on sales tax. But I've only briefly scanned the bill and I'm not overly familiar with Utah law.

    The law does goes so far as to require Tesla to have a service center in the state in order to licensed to sell cars there.

    Edit: Looking at the law it requires an "online dealer" to have a sales tax license just like any other dealer. Presumably having the sales tax license means Tesla would have to collect sales tax for Utah.
     
  18. rdalcanto

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    I was at the Capital when the bill was presented and debated at the initial committee hearing before it went to the entire House. I did not hear anything in the bill that would have changed the fact that Utah collects sales tax when you register the vehicle. Any comments about sales tax revenue for the state are BS. As it stands now, there is some confusing stuff about which cities or counties also get money from the sale of cars. Most of them do not get revenue from dealership car sales, and I don't see how the Tesla store would change anything there.
     
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    This is the response I received:
    Thank you for our email. My vote was not because I am a believer in disruptive technologies. My concern is that we take a little time and do this in an orderly manner. The new car dealers are 15 percent of our economy. We need to implement this in a way that that is beneficial to all. TESLA in committee stated that they thought they could operate under current Utah Law. Currently, 22 states have on-line sales. I think we need to follow this trend. I just believe we need to do it following best practices.

    Val
     

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