The infrastructure plan you are both referencing below is what Governor Pritzker drafted. The plan that this thread is referencing is a bill which is currently in the Illinois Senate and is being read for a 2nd time today. This bill still states the EV registration fee will be raised to $1,000 per year. You can view the status of the bill by clicking here. Based on the voting patterns of Illinois lawmakers, this bill has a very good chance of passing the Senate very soon. Once the bill has passed the Senate, I believe it would end up on Pritzker's desk to be signed into law. If Pritzker signs it into law as is, we would be paying $1,000 per year for registration on EV in IL.
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Illinois Infrastructure Plan Would Raise EV Registration Fees to $1,000/yr
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midwestLemur
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I’m no expert on Springfield legislative maneuvering, but now that the governor has released his own plan, I can’t imagine any scenario where the original Sandoval bill sails through and becomes law as is.
Any such bill with large and unpopular tax increases (I’m talking about the gas tax and non-EV registration fees here, as well as the myriad other proposed taxes on ride-sharing and TV services and so forth) would be a big political weight on the governor, so there’s no way he doesn’t weigh in heavily on how any final bill gets crafted.
Also, IL has a bicameral legislature, so any bill wouldn’t go straight from the senate to the governor’s desk.
Sen. Sandoval got lots of very public pushback on the magnitude of the EV registration fee, Pritzker’s plan had a FAR smaller EV fee relative to the non-EV registration fee ($852 more for EVs under Sandoval’s plan vs $51-$141 more for EVs under Pritzker’s plan), and Sandoval has since talked openly about welcoming the governor’s input and expecting further changes going forward. Gas tax hike, other fees would fund Pritzker's $41.5 billion 'Rebuild Illinois' capital plan
So I’m not panicking about the $1000 fee becoming reality anytime soon, and likely never. (Knock on wood.)
I’m no expert on Springfield legislative maneuvering, but now that the governor has released his own plan, I can’t imagine any scenario where the original Sandoval bill sails through and becomes law as is.
Any such bill with large and unpopular tax increases (I’m talking about the gas tax and non-EV registration fees here, as well as the myriad other proposed taxes on ride-sharing and TV services and so forth In Pritzker’s plan) would be a big political weight on the governor, so there’s no way he doesn’t weigh in heavily on how any final bill gets crafted.
(Also, as an aside, IL has a bicameral legislature, so any bill wouldn’t go straight from the senate to the governor’s desk anyway.)
Sen. Sandoval got lots of very public pushback on the magnitude of the EV registration fee, Pritzker’s plan had a FAR smaller EV fee relative to the non-EV registration fee ($852 more for EVs vs non-EVs under Sandoval’s plan vs $51-$141 more for EVs under Pritzker’s plan), and Sandoval has since talked openly about welcoming the governor’s input and expecting further changes going forward. Gas tax hike, other fees would fund Pritzker's $41.5 billion 'Rebuild Illinois' capital plan
So I’m not panicking about the $1000 fee becoming reality anytime soon, and likely never. (Knock on wood.)
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Now with 'amendment 003', it seems to be $300 per year...
Illinois General Assembly - Full Text of HB3233
Illinois General Assembly - Full Text of HB3233
Good catch.
This link worked better for me. HB3233sam003 101ST GENERAL ASSEMBLY
From page 81:
"10 The owner of a motor vehicle of the first division or a
11 motor vehicle of the second division weighing 8,000 pounds or
12 less propelled by an electric engine and not utilizing motor
13 fuel shall register the vehicle for a fee of $300 for a
14 one-year registration period
15
16 Secretary may, in his discretion, prescribe that electric
17 vehicle registration plates be issued for an indefinite term,
18 such term to correspond to the term of registration plates
19 issued generally, as provided in Section 3-414.1.
20
21
No change to the original proposal of a flat $148/yr fee for non-EVs. I.e., doesn't adopt Pritzker's idea of a graduated registration fee based on vehicle age. I wonder how much coordination there is between Pritzker and Sandoval on this.
The latest (surprisingly bipartisan) capital bill to get passed in the House last night and appears likely to become law raises the annual non-EV registration fee from $98 to $148 and tacks on an extra EV fee of $100 on top of that, so $248*.
(*I believe there’s an extra $3 in misc fees that means the total non-EV fee amount is $101 and will become $151, so I suppose EVs will pay $251.)
SB1939ham002 101ST GENERAL ASSEMBLY
Lawmakers Vote for Chicago Casino, Plus Gas and Cigarette Taxes
(*I believe there’s an extra $3 in misc fees that means the total non-EV fee amount is $101 and will become $151, so I suppose EVs will pay $251.)
SB1939ham002 101ST GENERAL ASSEMBLY
Lawmakers Vote for Chicago Casino, Plus Gas and Cigarette Taxes
Time to buy a used Volt! (just kidding)
Some of the guys in my local area only fill theirs up twice a year. I still think a smaller fixed fee, similar to what a Prius would pay on 5000 miles a year (about $50) and then a percentage tax on DC fast charging would have made more sense. Our lawmakers were not interested in exploring new ideas though. Just do what 20+ other states have already done.
It isn't so large that I feel like converting my S into a Plug in Hybrid, so that is good I guess.
I hit the salvage sites and for about $1000 you can get a REX out of a wrecked BMW i3 which I figured should be possible to integrate into the Frunk on my older car. At a $1000 per year that was looking like a good option.
I do wonder about those guys who own 2011/2012 Leaf's though, will adding $230 a year cause some of them to be sold? The Leaf vs Volt used car price ratio favors the Volt and now that the plates do too it does make for an interesting business case to trade all the old Leafs in on Volts.
Some of the guys in my local area only fill theirs up twice a year. I still think a smaller fixed fee, similar to what a Prius would pay on 5000 miles a year (about $50) and then a percentage tax on DC fast charging would have made more sense. Our lawmakers were not interested in exploring new ideas though. Just do what 20+ other states have already done.
It isn't so large that I feel like converting my S into a Plug in Hybrid, so that is good I guess.
I hit the salvage sites and for about $1000 you can get a REX out of a wrecked BMW i3 which I figured should be possible to integrate into the Frunk on my older car. At a $1000 per year that was looking like a good option.
I do wonder about those guys who own 2011/2012 Leaf's though, will adding $230 a year cause some of them to be sold? The Leaf vs Volt used car price ratio favors the Volt and now that the plates do too it does make for an interesting business case to trade all the old Leafs in on Volts.
midwestLemur
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There just aren't enough EVs on the road in Illinois for this to be a real problem yet. You'd get far more money to fix roads from requiring a higher registration fee for low mpg vehicles like trucks and SUVs.
I see both sides of this argument.
For EV owners, it's a bit tough to swallow the increased registration fee in part because up until now there was an EV discount on the registration fee worth ~$80/year, but now that's being flipped around into a $100/yr EV penalty, so it's a delta of $180/year relative to the standard fee and $230/year more overall (since the standard registration fee is increasing $50 too). That's a pretty hefty increase from the status quo.
As for the idea of charging higher registration fees for low MPG vehicles, I think the rationale against doing that is because those vehicles already pay more in gas taxes.
midwestLemur
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It just seems that at the current time penalizing ownership of EVs by going from $35 to $500 for two years creates the perverse outcome of people avoiding EVs. We're still very much in the phase where we need to be giving people an incentive to switch, and starting up higher fees on high emissions vehicles seems a much better way to address the real problems we're facing.
It really doesn't help that Illinois still has some large areas of the state that have little to no EV infrastructure, which could be paid for by additional registration fees on high-emissions vehicles.
It really doesn't help that Illinois still has some large areas of the state that have little to no EV infrastructure, which could be paid for by additional registration fees on high-emissions vehicles.
TomServo
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It's likely unrelated to the EV fee stuff, but the IL state senator and Senate Transportation Committee chairman that originally proposed the $1000 EV fee -- Sen. Martin Sandoval -- had his offices raided by the FBI yesterday.
#Schadenfreude
Federal agents raid Springfield, Cicero offices of Illinois Sen. Martin Sandoval, source says
#Schadenfreude
Federal agents raid Springfield, Cicero offices of Illinois Sen. Martin Sandoval, source says
Couldn't happen to a ???? person.
Feel free to fill in the ???? with the word of your choice. For the time being I am going with Potentially corrupt
Feel free to fill in the ???? with the word of your choice. For the time being I am going with Potentially corrupt
Sure, that article makes him sound guilty as could be, but who knows, someone might pay off the jury.
UPDATE: I received a letter in the mail with notice that the EV plate registration would be increasing to $251 annually. As a "courtesy" I received a new license plate sticker which was valid until 1/20. Courtesy my @$$, the only reason they issued a one month extension sticker was to push my renewal out into 2020, so then they would be able to assess the $251 annual fee.
I thought I would be able to renew in 2019 for two years at the lower rate, but no, not an option now. Welcome to Illinois where they find a way to get every dollar out of your pocket they possibly can.
I thought I would be able to renew in 2019 for two years at the lower rate, but no, not an option now. Welcome to Illinois where they find a way to get every dollar out of your pocket they possibly can.
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