Increase in home electric bills

[slainla]

I'm in the San Gabriel Valley near Los Angeles and Edison charges $0.28, $0.37, and $0.46 per kWh for tier 1, 2, and 3, respectively. Charging exclusively at home will bring it to at least tier 2 so it's actually cheaper to supercharge.

Driving 1000 miles would cost at least $100 when charging at home at those rates.

 

[Sandiegodoug]

San Diego gas and electric charges .39 for the 1st 200kwh, .49 for the rest. Highway robbery

 

[CheapBastid]

Budget for 3 miles per kWh when calculating your electricity bill. I'm also curious about your power rate - my parents are on PSE and pay closer to $0.14/kWh all-in (generation, transmission, taxes and other additional charges). That works out to $37/mo rather than $20/mo.

So if instead your rate was $0.24/kWh (as is mine) it'd be $62.43 a month?
Am I reading that right?

 

[slainla]

So if instead your rate was $0.24/kWh (as is mine) it'd be $62.43 a month?
Am I reading that right?

That sounds about right for around 800 miles. Like the previous poster said, add extra 15 percent on top of what the car's energy consumption is to account for efficiency losses, cabin overheat, vampire drain, etc. The 3 miles per kWh for a model 3 takes that into consideration.

 

[Oln08]

San Diego gas and electric charges .39 for the 1st 200kwh, .49 for the rest.

I'm also on SDGE and recently changed my plan to EVTOU5. They charge $16 fee every month for this plan but they only charge 10 cents per kwh during the super off peak hours. This plan worked for me, my bill only added about $10 a month charging my tesla.
Check it out on their website, see if this can benefit you.

 

[Sandiegodoug]

Honestly, I have a huge system. Haven’t paid a cent to sdge for 6 years, even including 42,000 miles on my model 3.

 

[Leafdriver333]

+$25/mo

 

[Python]

Here you go, I got my M3LR end of March and have been logging all my stats via Teslamate (and Tesla wallcharger json api).

I live in NW Ontario, Canada. I am on TOU power with 8.2c/kWh. When i calculate out all delivery fees, line loss charges, 17% Ontario Energy Rebate and 13% HST tax my cost per kWh comes out to 0.0925/kWh all in. This is equiviliant to me paying at the pump in terms of total cost i pay per kwh.


That being said, the car costs me $0.03/KM for strictly city driving and our conditions are still cold with snow.

In comparison, my truck (2013 Ram 1500 Crew Cab/Laramie) which i started logging recently when i decided i was purchasing a Tesla is below (Not compairing apples to apples but i'm using that as a baseline of savings by turning this car into our daily driver and only using the truck to pull our boat, lumber, etc)

 

[father_of_6]

Here you go, I got my M3LR end of March and have been logging all my stats via Teslamate (and Tesla wallcharger json api).

I live in NW Ontario, Canada. I am on TOU power with 8.2c/kWh. When i calculate out all delivery fees, line loss charges, 17% Ontario Energy Rebate and 13% HST tax my cost per kWh comes out to 0.0925/kWh all in. This is equiviliant to me paying at the pump in terms of total cost i pay per kwh.


That being said, the car costs me $0.03/KM for strictly city driving and our conditions are still cold with snow.

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In comparison, my truck (2013 Ram 1500 Crew Cab/Laramie) which i started logging recently when i decided i was purchasing a Tesla is below (Not compairing apples to apples but i'm using that as a baseline of savings by turning this car into our daily driver and only using the truck to pull our boat, lumber, etc)

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1/10th of the cost, and 10 times the fun!

 

[KenC]

1/10th of the cost, and 10 times the fun!

Are you talking g/fs or Teslas?

 

[RayK]

Are you talking g/fs or Teslas?

That would be reversed (10x cost and 1/10 fun) if you're talking about a wife.

 

[RayK]

Getting sort of back on topic...

Here's a table of the PG&E residential rates: Rates and Tariffs

The first entry, "Residential Inclu TOU (xxxxxxx – Present)" is a link to a .XLSX spreadsheet for the current rates.

The cheapest energy charge rate at the moment, which I believe does not include transmission and other extra costs, is $0.21481/kWh. I'm on an E-6 plan since installing solar over 11 years ago so my cheapest is $0.28719 (baseline Winter Off-peak) and goes to $0.37737 over baseline. This is the one main reason why I charge at a ChargePoint DCFC CHAdeMO station where it's $0.19 all of the time.

edit: So assuming that the rates stay the same over the next couple of years, I'll have to consume around 5555kWh ($500 cost of the CHAdeMO adapter / $0.09 difference in electric rates) in order for the CHAdeMO adapter to pay for itself. I've been using the adapter for most of my charging in the last two years and if my math is correct, I'll need to have driven about 22K miles (avg. 250Wh/mi) using CHAdeMO juice. It would actually be somewhat less than that since I've also been able to get free CHAdeMO sessions here in town (during holidays when EA or EVgo have free weekends) or while traveling.

 

[jgoode]

Have you checked your charge stats on the app?View attachment 792205

Thanks for the advice, PianoAl! Just looking at this for the first time. Are these numbers tied directly to local electricity costs, or more of a shotgun estimate?

 

[jgoode]

Very sorry for dragging my feet on addressing the many helpful responses on my initial posting (some a bit over my head). No disrespect intended, just haven't been able to find the time to comb through it all and properly absorb until now. I think you've all given me enough to work with moving forward. Huge thanks to all who gave their input and advice!

 

[ItsNotAboutTheMoney]

I think Tesla's cost estimate is bogus.

Really, I suggest asking for a breakdown, so you can have an idea of where potential costs are coming from.
Everybody's demand varies so unless they have circuit monitoring, it's tough to attribute any increase to you.

Might be worth contacting Tesla's commercial department about the billing feature of the Wall Connector and how much that costs. If that could givd you more accurate numbers, it might be worth it to settle it. Or, submetering, as suggested by somebody above.

 

[jjrandorin]

Very sorry for dragging my feet on addressing the many helpful responses on my initial posting (some a bit over my head). No disrespect intended, just haven't been able to find the time to comb through it all and properly absorb until now. I think you've all given me enough to work with moving forward. Huge thanks to all who gave their input and advice!

As I mentioned in the beginning, the best way for people to try to help you would be for you to provide the breakdown that was given to you by "the treasurer". They gave you a figure, they should have some information on how they arrived at the figure they gave you. That would tell you a lot (whether its an actual calculation or a " we used this much before you plugged in, and this much more this month after you plugged in" (which really isnt a calculation at all).

 

[STS-134]

Getting sort of back on topic...

Here's a table of the PG&E residential rates: Rates and Tariffs

The first entry, "Residential Inclu TOU (xxxxxxx – Present)" is a link to a .XLSX spreadsheet for the current rates.

The cheapest energy charge rate at the moment, which I believe does not include transmission and other extra costs, is $0.21481/kWh. I'm on an E-6 plan since installing solar over 11 years ago so my cheapest is $0.28719 (baseline Winter Off-peak) and goes to $0.37737 over baseline. This is the one main reason why I charge at a ChargePoint DCFC CHAdeMO station where it's $0.19 all of the time.

edit: So assuming that the rates stay the same over the next couple of years, I'll have to consume around 5555kWh ($500 cost of the CHAdeMO adapter / $0.09 difference in electric rates) in order for the CHAdeMO adapter to pay for itself. I've been using the adapter for most of my charging in the last two years and if my math is correct, I'll need to have driven about 22K miles (avg. 250Wh/mi) using CHAdeMO juice. It would actually be somewhat less than that since I've also been able to get free CHAdeMO sessions here in town (during holidays when EA or EVgo have free weekends) or while traveling.

That assumes that your time is worth $0/hour.

 

[RayK]

That assumes that your time is worth $0/hour.

It is. I'm retired.

 

[PianoAl]

Thanks for the advice, PianoAl! Just looking at this for the first time. Are these numbers tied directly to local electricity costs, or more of a shotgun estimate?

Tied to local rates, and you can adjust them if they're wrong.

 

[m a x i m u s]

Wow those are expensive rates. But in any event, it is cheaper than gas.