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In my area, the independent certified installers are significantly more expensive for the same thing. I was calling around yesterday as I decided to get serious about powerwall(s). I called 2 certified independent installers in my area, and both told me the SGIP was fully subscribed for my utility (SCE) this year (negating that benefit) and their costs were "13.5k for one powerwall, 20k for 2, including permits and basic installation" (the other certified installer was 21.5k for 2 powerwalls)Is there any advantage of purchasing a Powerwall from Tesla as opposed to a certified independent installer company ?
I can't seem to get a hold of Tesla for a consult and was wondering if an independent installer is equivalent.
Thanks in advance.
Thanks for the info everyone !! I'll try Tesla again.
This is the article that has sped up my timeline :
Challenges for batteries in the California fire code
I read that San Francisco is already adopting the new code standards for current installs....
Might help that my solar system is a solar city one, so they have all the pictures etc of that install, and know all they need to know about my electrical system.
They also mentioned that it was "area dependent" and that there was a "huge huge spike in call / purchase demand in northern california right now".. so I suspect anyone in northern cali may wait a while for tesla to get back to them on a powerwall.
In my area, the independent certified installers are significantly more expensive for the same thing. I was calling around yesterday as I decided to get serious about powerwall(s). I called 2 certified independent installers in my area, and both told me the SGIP was fully subscribed for my utility (SCE) this year (negating that benefit) and their costs were "13.5k for one powerwall, 20k for 2, including permits and basic installation" (the other certified installer was 21.5k for 2 powerwalls)
Note, they both had around this price, and on one of their websites it specifically calls out that "they can not do it for the price tesla charges as that leaves no profit for the installer". This pricing was before they even specced out my install which admittedly should be very simple, as the powerwalls should be able to be placed within 20 feet or so of the panel, on the inside of my garage.
Both basically intimated that the pricing above was sort of the "basic" all in price, and it wouldnt get cheaper than that, only more expensive.
I put in a request for info on tesla's websit yesterday evening, Tesla called me back very quickly, (today, at lunch time), and told me they are doing installs in my area. They quoted me the basic prices on their website which dont include install. 6,500 per powerwall, 1100 for the gateway, they quoted me 500 for a permit, and then told me the variable was installation costs, but expected those to be somewhere between 1-2k depending on my setup, if not extensive. So, somewhere between 15.7 and 16.7, give or take, where the certified installers were 20-21.5k for the same basic quote.
So, significant in my case. Will let you know how it goes.
To update the price on this tesla quoted me, the total is 18,234.75 including taxes.. thats the "out the door" price. Neither of the third party installers in my area, in our initial conversation, were breaking down the pricing into the components. Had I moved forward with them, I would have required an itemized accounting before signing anything.
The labor from tesla for my install ended up being quoted as 2500, so total costs from tesla are:
(2) Powerwalls @6500 each, = 13,000
(1) backup gateway = 1100
Installation = 2500
Permitting fees = 500
The third parties were as i mentioned quoting between 20k and 21.5k and telling me the SGIP was fully subscribed so I could get onto a waitlist for them. I doubt those figures included taxes either, but these were verbal quotes. My installation should be very simple (also evidenced by how quickly tesla looked at it and approved I would think). The powerwalls will be in my garage on the wall, on the inside wall that is the same wall my outside main breaker panel is. Hoping that they get it in before I have to worry about those new rules, because I dont want the powerwall if I can only have 1, I want 2.. and I want them on my wall.
The only reason I was considering going with a certified installer was to get them "faster", but it appears to me that its going to be the same turn around time as the certified installers were quoting me "around thanksgiving, or the first week of december". I suspect that I will have the same turn around from tesla, seeing as how I am already at the "submitting for permits" stage. We will see, but I am strangely excited for what is basically a battery, lol.
Thanks for the info. I'm also considering and in your general area. I got a similar quote from a third party local installer - starting price $13,800 for a single PW2. Stated project are eligible for the 30% rebate but doesn't necessarily mean funds are available. I read Tesla was out of SGIP rebate slots. Is that still true?
The "30 % rebate" is actually the 30% tax credit. Its not a rebate (most "teslaites" know this but its important to call out... I had to explain it to my wife a couple different times). You have to have enough tax liability to take that credit.
Tesla is out of the SGIP, thats true. I thought some third parties might have availability, but both that I called told me that there was a waitlist for SCE and that SDGE (where you likely are) was also fully subscribed and on a wait list. They cant promise you would get it.. I believe it works off a lottery system. In any case, most third parties will likely charge enough that even if you get the SGIP, it will just come close to the tesla price... and tesla knows that.
For one powerwall, tesla quoted me an installation charge of 3k instead of 2500 for 2 (weird right?). My new energy advisor (who said he had been with tesla energy since it was solar city.. which by tesla standards is probably a long time, lol ) said:
"When we install just 1 powerwall, we actually have to charge more than when we install 2, because 1 powerwall is almost always a "critical loads only" situation, and requires more work and more connections than a whole home backup".
made sense to me, because it then has a critical loads panel, moving breakers to that sub panel, etc.
Anyway, for one powerwall it would be:
6500 = powerwall
3000 = installation
500 = permit
11,100 + tax.
I never got to the "taxes" on the third parties I called, but I would be surprised if they were quoting me a price with tax. You could check though.
I appreciate the quick response! Yes, I'm in SDG&E service area.
So there's the SGIP and the ITC? Even though SGIP is unavailable, you'll still be able to claim ITC (30%) on Fed taxes since you're connecting to solar, right?
I just met with a third party installer.
He claims that he just got word that there was additional funds for the SGIP but it still wasn’t guaranteed and people were still on the waitlist.
He was quoting about $23k for two PWs with 30% tax rebate and possible $5,800 SGIP. So total about $16k confirmed with another possible $5,800 unconfirmed SGIP.
then he says if I get 3 PWs, that would now be in a different category in the SGIP (large scale storage) which they still do have available and we’re in step 2 and can guarantee. He SAYs 3 PWs for $35k with 30% tax rebate AND and confirmed SGIP of $10,092 ($3,364 each). So total about $14k for 3 PW. It sounds too good to be true but I don’t know enough info about the SGIP.
He says to qualify for the large scale storage we would just have to verify that we can use the batteries fully 1 day. This doesn’t sound right.
Can anyone verify this “story”?
Totally makes sense. He was quote each PW was 11,600 inclusive of install and hardware. So that just means they make more profit when you buy more PWs since the work is about the same. Good point. Just not sure if there is any truth about the "large scale energy storage". I was reading through the SGIP handbook and it didn't see any requirements other than it being more than a 10kw system.You should ask why another powerwall would bump the price from 23-35k since they are only 6500 each. I also would wonder about doing "commercial" for your home. You can read about the SGIP program here:
Self-Generation Incentive Program
BTW, the third party installer I contacted told me "if anyone tells you they can promise you the SGIP, I would watch out....."
So there is that.
Totally makes sense. He was quote each PW was 11,600 inclusive of install and hardware. So that just means they make more profit when you buy more PWs since the work is about the same. Good point. Just not sure if there is any truth about the "large scale energy storage". I was reading through the SGIP handbook and it didn't see any requirements other than it being more than a 10kw system.
Not sure if anyone has some more insight to this.
This is where I would demand an "itemized breakdown" not a "11,600 per powerwall, inclusive of hardware and labor".
I would say, "sorry I need to see how much each thing is broken down. Tesla told me the third parties pay the same for the PW as we do, and the more powerwalls you have the less likely you would have to split anything off, so would be a whole home backup situation (thus no critical loads panel, easier install).
For what its worth, I asked tesla how much it would be if I wanted a third powerwall, just for info. My rep said:
"the additional powerwall itself is 6500 of course, then the install goes from 2500 to 4k, and the increase in taxes of course. The tesla energy advisor said "SGIP is a pain... I helped a lot of people with it, but its seriously a pain to deal with".
I didnt want to pay that much money and figured 2 PWs was fine so thats what I ordered.
Did they give you any kind of ETA? This year or next?I also contacted Tesla early this week about adding 2 PWs to my Tesla PV system too.
They quoted me exactly what they quoted you $17,100 plus tax.
I submitted my photos through their web portal as well and now just waiting for a design. My advisor said they are pretty backlogged and will circle back with me in 2 weeks.