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INFO: Price of P85D upgrade to Ludicrous and/or 90kWh pack

MarcG

Active Member
Oct 29, 2014
3,066
2,040
San Francisco
I just got a call from Tesla accessories regarding my interest in upgrading my P85D to Ludicrous and/or 90 kWh battery pack.

The pricing of the Ludicrous-only was confirmed a while ago at $7,500 with a $500 non-refundable deposit. Also confirmed was the 0.2 second improvement for both 0-60mph and 1/4-mile times.

The pricing of the 90 kWh upgrade was apparently just confirmed to be at... $22,500! This includes parts & labor to replace the pack. There's a $2,500 "re-purchase" benefit to releasing the 85 kWh battery back to Tesla, regardless of age or mileage, but it wasn't clear if the $22,500 price includes this $2,500 "refund" or not.

I asked if the 90 kWh upgrade price includes Ludicrous, and the answer was "no" - even though we probably know by know all 90 kWh packs are technically capable of supporting Ludicrous.

Lastly, I asked if the performance of upgrading to BOTH 90 kWh capacity and Ludicrous would be identical to a brand new P90D, but the Tesla rep didn't know. She said she'd find out and get back to me.

So there you have it. Surprised? I'm not :biggrin:
 

Cottonwood

Roadster#433, Model S#S37
Feb 27, 2009
5,088
166
Colorado
Pretty stiff pricing on the battery.

Even for my 3-year old P85, it would only cost me a few thousand more to sell that car and apply that money and the battery price to a new 90D. That few thousand extra would get me a new car with all wheel drive...
 

MsElectric

Active Member
Oct 11, 2014
1,604
18
New York
I just got a call from Tesla accessories regarding my interest in upgrading my P85D to Ludicrous and/or 90 kWh battery pack.

The pricing of the Ludicrous-only was confirmed a while ago at $7,500 with a $500 non-refundable deposit. Also confirmed was the 0.2 second improvement for both 0-60mph and 1/4-mile times.

The pricing of the 90 kWh upgrade was apparently just confirmed to be at... $22,500! This includes parts & labor to replace the pack. There's a $2,500 "re-purchase" benefit to releasing the 85 kWh battery back to Tesla, regardless of age or mileage, but it wasn't clear if the $22,500 price includes this $2,500 "refund" or not.

I asked if the 90 kWh upgrade price includes Ludicrous, and the answer was "no" - even though we probably know by know all 90 kWh packs are technically capable of supporting Ludicrous.

Lastly, I asked if the performance of upgrading to BOTH 90 kWh capacity and Ludicrous would be identical to a brand new P90D, but the Tesla rep didn't know. She said she'd find out and get back to me.

So there you have it. Surprised? I'm not :biggrin:

Could you do the upgrade for $22,500 and then sell the old battery to WK057? I bet the old 85 KWh battery is worth at least $10K.
 

andrewket

Well-Known Member
Dec 20, 2012
5,704
1,525
The price on the 90 is insane. I believe it's designed so that nobody does it, but Tesla can say they followed through with Elon's promise.
 

andrewket

Well-Known Member
Dec 20, 2012
5,704
1,525
Could you do the upgrade for $22,500 and then sell the old battery to WK057? I bet the old 85 KWh battery is worth at least $10K.

When I asked a few weeks ago they said you had to trade-in your current pack. You get a 2500 core fee, but it's mandatory.
 

MarcG

Active Member
Oct 29, 2014
3,066
2,040
San Francisco
Did they offer to schedule the upgrade? Or were they just calling to provide the information?

Just calling to provide the pricing. I haven't scheduled either upgrade as I'm not sure they're worth it - or rather, I know the 90kWh capacity upgrade is definitely not worth it for me, but not sure about Ludicrous yet.

- - - Updated - - -

@ MarcG - any idea where you were on "the list"?

No idea - just had a bunch of questions that were left with Tesla a few weeks ago and asked them to get back to me (from this thread: Ludicrous upgrade for P85D: retained with future battery upgrades? which I still don't have answers for yet)
 

loco

Member
Feb 21, 2013
185
448
Poznan, Poland
In EU they ask 8249 EUR for Ludicrous and 27 321,3 EUR for battery (with German VAT).

I asked if there's a difference in Ludicrous performance between 85 and 90. Answer was "no". I'm not so sure about that. Maybe someone can confirm?

8 weeks waiting time.
 

AMPd

Active Member
Nov 27, 2012
4,466
3,738
Northern California
When I asked a few weeks ago they said you had to trade-in your current pack. You get a 2500 core fee, but it's mandatory.
Tesla never seizes to amaze me with their upgrades :)
If trading in the battery is mandatory why not include the core fee into the price of the battery and make it an even 20K, and 20k seems a bit over the top considering it's only a 5kwh bump and a few minutes of labor.

Never change Tesla Motors! I love the company but sometimes they just make me laugh out loud
 

jpet

Jan P.
Aug 8, 2014
3,288
201
Herne & Leuven, BE
I asked if there's a difference in Ludicrous performance between 85 and 90. Answer was "no". I'm not so sure about that. Maybe someone can confirm?

The info I got from someone inside was that they can and should not guarantee that a P85D with Ludicrous will have the same performance as a P90D with Ludicrous. The reason is that the battery of the P85D will be older. Depending on how it was used (charged / discharged) over the past months, there might be slight differences. After the upgrade however, your should get a 0,2 sec improvement compared to your current performance. This is not what I was looking for, I was hoping for a 20% improvement to max speed which is certainly not comparable with just the small 0,2 sec improvement to 60 mph or the 1/4 mile. After the missing horsepower issue, I'm not going to pay a crazy amount again to get almost nothing in return.
 

brantse

Supporting Member
May 18, 2015
511
1,391
Somerset, PA
Who's considering upgrading just for the 5 kwh boost? Honestly, I think the pricing sounds good (~$200/kwh), but it's not intended for just a performance boost. Trade your MS if that's what you're looking for. It seems like it only makes sense to replace a heavily degraded pack.
 

MsElectric

Active Member
Oct 11, 2014
1,604
18
New York
Who's considering upgrading just for the 5 kwh boost? Honestly, I think the pricing sounds good (~$200/kwh), but it's not intended for just a performance boost. Trade your MS if that's what you're looking for. It seems like it only makes sense to replace a heavily degraded pack.

But a an unusually heavily degraded pack would be covered by the warranty... :)
 

wk057

Senior Tinkerer
Feb 23, 2014
5,690
11,761
Hickory, NC, USA
The price on the 90 is insane. I believe it's designed so that nobody does it, but Tesla can say they followed through with Elon's promise.

This ^

The $2500 core refund is idiotic. Who would sell their pack for $2500? That's insane. $29/kWh. Tesla's getting a pretty good deal considering they're selling you a new pack at $250/kWh.

When I asked a few weeks ago they said you had to trade-in your current pack. You get a 2500 core fee, but it's mandatory.

I verified this a few times. The $22,500 number is including the $2,500 credit for pack return. It's $25,000 if you keep your old pack, but you have to provide transport for it from the service center. The two service centers I spoke to about it clearly said that if I wanted to keep my old pack I could do so by paying the extra $2,500 and I'd have to arrange transport for it the same day.

I'm not doing the upgrade. It's essentially $5000 per kWh increase, which is just stupid unless you absolutely need to have an extra ~15 miles of range for something.

If anyone is considering this, though, I'll happily pay their $2,500 core charge and another $2,500 plus cover freight for their old pack for a few packs. :cool:
 

P85DEE

Active Member
Oct 10, 2015
1,512
372
TMC
The info I got from someone inside was that they can and should not guarantee that a P85D with Ludicrous will have the same performance as a P90D with Ludicrous. The reason is that the battery of the P85D will be older. Depending on how it was used (charged / discharged) over the past months, there might be slight differences. After the upgrade however, your should get a 0,2 sec improvement compared to your current performance. This is not what I was looking for, I was hoping for a 20% improvement to max speed which is certainly not comparable with just the small 0,2 sec improvement to 60 mph or the 1/4 mile. After the missing horsepower issue, I'm not going to pay a crazy amount again to get almost nothing in return.

When they're coming out and saying that the Ludicrous upgrade for the P85D is only going to result in a 0.2 second improvement in 0-60 and quarter mile times for those owners, I'm reluctant to pay their asking price for it for such a small improvement. Were I buying today, I'd never be able to justify paying the $10K premium for it for the small performance increase that we've seen to this point.

The price on the 90 is insane. I believe it's designed so that nobody does it, but Tesla can say they followed through with Elon's promise.

I was thinking a few days ago, likewise for the Ludicrous upgrade being offered for P85D owners. It's almost like it's designed or priced, so that nobody does it, or few do it. And anyone who does, well it would seem to be a much better deal for Tesla than for the owner doing it.

Paying $7500.00 plus tax, for an imperceptible 2 tenths worth of improvement in 0-60, and a measly 0.2 seconds worth of improvement in quarter mile performance over what is already available with Insane, is well......
 
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