Initiative 976

[whitex]

Electric cars are getting gauged in my opinion. Extra sales tax, extra weight charges, extra RTA fees, plus $200 no matter how much you drive. I don’t want transportation to go unfunded, but there needs to be a rate structure that does not discourage electrification at every step.

That's because EVs are still a minority, perceived by majority as the cars for the rich. Governments are always greedy (there are always friends and family who could use jobs or contracts). Combine those two facts with the currently trendy sentiment "the rich should pay their fair share" and you have the perfect storm, voter approve whatever fees on "the rich". Of course, "the rich" means "people who have more than I", which is means different definition for every person, but that little detail is lost in the campaigns. End result is government gets more money, and the people who don't have EVs but voted for the fee rejoice because they feel they helped some social justice cause, or that somehow they will get a piece of what that money pays for.

 

[Big-T]

Robotaxis fix light rail they don't make it obsolete. You take a robo taxi from your home to light rail and then mass transit 200 people across the bridge downtown who then disperse in robo taxis.

Trains are like fiber. Fast but hard to get where you live. Robotaxis are like 5G. Short range but solve the "last mile" issue of fiber.

I keep hearing about Tesla's Robo Taxi's and level 5 automation right around the corner - yet the AutoPilot nag time has been reduced from 5 minutes a few years ago to less than 30 seconds when traveling on the highway.

 

[wenkan]

The 150 EV fee will be reduced to 30 starting Dec 5th. Much more reasonable. Hope the RTA tax will reflect KBB value change soon.

 

[ChrisH]

The 150 EV fee will be reduced to 30 starting Dec 5th. Much more reasonable. Hope the RTA tax will reflect KBB value change soon.

So tabs $30, EV $30? What about the $75 electrification fee?

 

[S4WRXTTCS]

The 150 EV fee will be reduced to 30 starting Dec 5th. Much more reasonable. Hope the RTA tax will reflect KBB value change soon.

The RTA tax is dead for now.

The whole KBB value is for future voter approved vehicle taxes.

 

[RainyDaze]

I hate to wade into political conversations on this forum but feel compelled to mention as we reduce income taxes (remember Washington State has no income tax including for the two richest men in the world) fees must be raised to compensate.

 

[nwdiver]

I hate to wade into political conversations on this forum but feel compelled to mention as we reduce income taxes (remember Washington State has no income tax including for the two richest men in the world) fees must be raised to compensate.

My Vote is to just raise the tax on fools fuel. That's what I would call a win-win.

 

[wenkan]

I hate to wade into political conversations on this forum but feel compelled to mention as we reduce income taxes (remember Washington State has no income tax including for the two richest men in the world) fees must be raised to compensate.

Why cannot they reduce some unnecessary construction to adapt that? Stop using “earthquake threat” as an excuse to burn money from taxpayers!

 

[nwdiver]

Why cannot they reduce some unnecessary construction to adapt that? Stop using “earthquake threat” as an excuse to burn money from taxpayers!

I would prefer they spend $$$ on the roads I drive on...

...get it from the fools fuel addicts...

When fools fuel powered POSs are as common as hens teeth I have absolutely no problem paying for my use of the roads

 

[ChrisH]

I don’t get why we don’t just do a freaking flat income tax. People are ridiculous.

 

[nwdiver]

I don’t get why we don’t just do a freaking flat income tax. People are ridiculous.

I'm not opposed to that... but I would like to fine the monsters destroying our future.... a tax on fools fuel would be two birds with one tax...

 

[alloverx]

Income tax might work if you trust them to reduce the sales and or B&O tax. Lots of folks dont. Plus they have to hire a bunch of folks to administer it.

 

[ChrisH]

Income tax might work if you trust them to reduce the sales and or B&O tax. Lots of folks dont. Plus they have to hire a bunch of folks to administer it.

yeah. There’s no way it will get implemented here though. Too many who don’t understand it are against it. But yeah sales tax would need to go down for sure.

 

[wenkan]

The RTA tax is dead for now.

The whole KBB value is for future voter approved vehicle taxes.

What I heard is RTA tax will not be dead before March 2020.

 

[brianman]

Show me an EV that can pull a 20k work trailer on weekdays and 15k RV on the weekends.

Can you wait a few more days on this one?

 

[RedMS]

Can you wait a few more days on this one?

oh believe me I’m waiting. Although I’m not holding my breath to be honest.

 

[RedMS]

I wonder if @nwdiver mumbles about fools fuel as he tries to source locally grown carrots at Whole Foods

 

[nwdiver]

I wonder if @nwdiver mumbles about fools fuel as he tries to source locally grown carrots at Whole Foods

Nope... just the toothless hicks I have to deal with at the local Wal-Mart...

 

[ReddyLeaf]

I wonder if @nwdiver mumbles about fools fuel as he tries to source locally grown carrots at Whole Foods

I can’t speak for @nwdiver but I “sourced” a huge handful this afternoon, just a few steps from my front door. I’m also currently harvesting kale, lettuce, arugula, bok choi, beets, and collard greens to go with the potatoes, tomatoes, sweet potatoes, squash, onions and garlic in the cellar. No fossil fuels required.

 

[RedMS]

I can’t speak for @nwdiver but I “sourced” a huge handful this afternoon, just a few steps from my front door. I’m also currently harvesting kale, lettuce, arugula, bok choi, beets, and collard greens to go with the potatoes, tomatoes, sweet potatoes, squash, onions and garlic in the cellar. No fossil fuels required.

Sounds like my folks’ place. I do have to burn some dinos or electrons to get me some fresh peas though.