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Ioniq 5 vs Model Y
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sleepydoc
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Quoting Björn from the video, "The ride here is better, it's more comfortable...I get the feeling they have tuned it and they lost some of the stiffness, so maybe it will do slightly worse in the moose test but then it doesn't kill your spine every time you go over one of those bridge gaps"
Actually, if you look at one of Björn's previous videos it even starts with the caption "rough but tight." Quoting Björn from that video, (3:09) "The car is a bit harsh." (6:53) The speed bumps are not the worst, it's those bridge gaps or other kind of bumps like a pothole. Then you really feel 'uh' how hard it is...for normal driving you don't really feel the harshness of the suspension...when we have slightly rougher tarmac...you can almost feel every bump, every roughness on the road"
I completely agree with his assessment. On smooth pavement or minor imperfections there's nothing wrong. Of course the suspension has nothing to do there, so that's easy. It's kind of like saying "these sunglasses work great on a cloudy day." The problem comes when you have significant imperfections and the car has no ability to absorb them.
So yeah, thanks for proving my point!
I've seen reports that Tesla has improved the suspension in the MY. Mine is from July 2020, so it's an early model. This video would go along with that and I sincerely hope that that's the case since it would address one of my biggest complaints with the car.
To the point of this thread I strongly advise anyone considering a Y to take a test drive over a bumpy road. (I had to base my decision on a Model 3 which I incorrectly assumed would be similar.) If you're happy with it, great, if not you may be happier with the Hyundai, a Mach-E, or another model.
I agree with this. Please don't buy Tesla if you want comfortable/cushy and "I don't want to feel anything when going over bumps" type person. They are many other choices.
sleepydoc
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I've never considered myself picky about suspensions or ride quality - cars I've owned in the past include a Honda Odyssey, Audi A4, VW Jetta, Toyota Corolla, Ford Contour, Saturn Ion and a Ford Escort. I haven't had an issue with the ride or handling of any of these vehicles. In fact I never even thought about the ride quality in any of these cars. (To be fair the Escort was 25 years ago so I don't remember it too well. It was also only $13k, so my expectations were probably far lower.)
Regardless, I am far from the only person with this complaint - just do an internet search and you'll find no shortage of people saying the Y has a poor ride. It's something to be aware of when comparing your options, especially if you frequent areas with poor roads.
I was thinking of this the other day driving on our local are back roads which have generally smooth but wavy pavement. My previous Audi Q5 and 2 VW Touaregs before it were a bit more compliant over harsh bumps, but they wallowed a bit on those country roads. The Model Y does not. I think the slightly stiffer shocks keep it more firmly on the pavement, more level and yielding an altogether more pleasant ride
All the cars you mentioned are all cushy/ comfort suspension cars. Lol
sleepydoc
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If you call a Ford Escort cushy then it speaks volumes to your standards (or lack thereof) and basically disqualifies you from commenting!
The cars are what they are - The A4 is considered a sport sedan and while not as heavy as the Y, it was not a small car yet still had very good handling without being harsh. The Jetta is also not what I would call a 'cushy comfort' car, but again, if it makes you feel better in your justifications then keep telling yourself that.
Like I said, I don't begrudge anyone for liking the Y suspension but there's also significant number of people who find it harsh. Your continued denial of that is baffling to say the least. Maybe a bit of self-deceit?
thesmokingman
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This. The Y is very composed even when the road gets out of hand. You'll probably get a kick out of km77's moose test. The MYP already aced the test, but that's not our concern. It's the extra runs at the end where they push each vehicle to its limits. To cut it short the MYP is right there with Porsche Turbos and AMG GTRs in this push. The MYP puts in an incredible showing for a suv lol.
Lol if people do not agree with your opinion, the automatically become fanboi/drinking KoolAid? okay.
Hmmm, where did people say it’s a smooth ride? I’ve read where they said they liked it and don’t consider it “harsh”. Just another who thinks their opinion is the only “right” one. Oh, and “every professional reviewer”……
thesmokingman
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The guy calling everyone a fanboy is usually the troll.
TigerNinety
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Wow! This is a wild thread....
Look, everyone in the EV space is making a slew of "compromises" to maximize profitability while delivering what they think their customer base wants. Tesla has an advantage of relatively mature designs and scale (for an EV), but still is weighed down on "luxury" interior features, etc by the cost of the battery and motors (compared to a mature ICE car manufacturing process, with lots of room to upscale "luxury" features and make a profit). Also, ICE manufacturers can subsidize some of the cost of their EVs with their ICE vehicle profits, which Tesla cannot.
On "harshness of ride," Tesla is constrained by a limited product range. For the M3, for example, there's no difference between the RWD and the LR on suspension, it's only when you pick a P that things change EXCEPT for the wheel size choice. Many ICE manufacturers step buyers up ride stiffness across a wider range of cars as the prices go up (with wheel size choices).
On the Ioniq (which is half of why we're here, right?), it's certainly a "credible" EV, especially given the merits against an ICE vehicle. The Ioniq and the MY will trade various features (I'd love to have CarPlay in my Tesla), and the Ioniq isn't as mature. I don't find the Ioniq style appealing, but some might. And, I value the Supercharger network that is here today. But, the Ioniq will ultimately benefit as the charging infrastructure improves.
Both are imperfect. Pick the Ioniq for price and some "classic" controls. Pick the MY for minimalism and a charging network. The looks are entirely subjective.
But, if you believe we're in a world of hurt from climate change, just be happy that someone is picking either instead of an ICE car!
Look, everyone in the EV space is making a slew of "compromises" to maximize profitability while delivering what they think their customer base wants. Tesla has an advantage of relatively mature designs and scale (for an EV), but still is weighed down on "luxury" interior features, etc by the cost of the battery and motors (compared to a mature ICE car manufacturing process, with lots of room to upscale "luxury" features and make a profit). Also, ICE manufacturers can subsidize some of the cost of their EVs with their ICE vehicle profits, which Tesla cannot.
On "harshness of ride," Tesla is constrained by a limited product range. For the M3, for example, there's no difference between the RWD and the LR on suspension, it's only when you pick a P that things change EXCEPT for the wheel size choice. Many ICE manufacturers step buyers up ride stiffness across a wider range of cars as the prices go up (with wheel size choices).
On the Ioniq (which is half of why we're here, right?), it's certainly a "credible" EV, especially given the merits against an ICE vehicle. The Ioniq and the MY will trade various features (I'd love to have CarPlay in my Tesla), and the Ioniq isn't as mature. I don't find the Ioniq style appealing, but some might. And, I value the Supercharger network that is here today. But, the Ioniq will ultimately benefit as the charging infrastructure improves.
Both are imperfect. Pick the Ioniq for price and some "classic" controls. Pick the MY for minimalism and a charging network. The looks are entirely subjective.
But, if you believe we're in a world of hurt from climate change, just be happy that someone is picking either instead of an ICE car!
As others have pointed out, you can have sporty suspension that still rides fairly well.
In the simplest terms it requires dampers (shocks) that utilize relatively firm Low Speed Compression to prevent wallowing and loading up in the turns but the dampers need to have a blow off system to not hydro-lock on very fast damper movements, like over sharp bumps/ buckles in the road. This requires a somewhat expensive and separate High Speed Compression damping circuit. This is just the damper settings and separate from balance and so forth which are also important but are usually set up poorly on street cars (instead of balanced handling, for safety nearly all stock cars are designed to understeer so people don't accidentally spin on public roads).
If you have ever driven a sports car in the canyons fast, then taken the same or a different car to the actual race track, even a very uncomfortable/ impractical street sports car becomes a wallowing pig at the race track when driven well. The best solution is for the manufacturer to tune the suspension to work well on a bumpy medium speed race track driving about 60-70%. That's going to result in a good compromise for aggressively driven sporty cars on the road.
In the simplest terms it requires dampers (shocks) that utilize relatively firm Low Speed Compression to prevent wallowing and loading up in the turns but the dampers need to have a blow off system to not hydro-lock on very fast damper movements, like over sharp bumps/ buckles in the road. This requires a somewhat expensive and separate High Speed Compression damping circuit. This is just the damper settings and separate from balance and so forth which are also important but are usually set up poorly on street cars (instead of balanced handling, for safety nearly all stock cars are designed to understeer so people don't accidentally spin on public roads).
If you have ever driven a sports car in the canyons fast, then taken the same or a different car to the actual race track, even a very uncomfortable/ impractical street sports car becomes a wallowing pig at the race track when driven well. The best solution is for the manufacturer to tune the suspension to work well on a bumpy medium speed race track driving about 60-70%. That's going to result in a good compromise for aggressively driven sporty cars on the road.
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