Honestly not sure why they still do these incentives - if you can afford a $50,000 - $80,000 car you don't appear to need a hand in 'converting' to electric. You just need to arrange your finances appropriately. The sooner these are gone the better.
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IRS definitions of what's a car vs SUV by manufacturer for $55k vs $80k price limit
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If I were still in the market for another Tesla, knowing how December went, I would wait till end of March to take delivery, if enough people do that they'll be force to hand out discount on top of the tax credit.
The incentives are NOT to help people financially. They are to promote certain choices and help certain economy sectors.
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EXACTLY, although it would not be too much of a stretch to replace 'economy sector' with 'GM.' Tesla support is an unintended side effect lol. Politics is an exercise in irony. The original rules excluding Tesla by requiring Union participation was torpedoed by none other than AGW denialist Manchin because of his anti-union proclivities.
It is interesting that while some try to rationalize the IRS decision to not list the Model Y as an SUV per some EPA classification, the EPA itself has no problem to classify all model Ys and all VW ID.4s as SUVs.
www.fueleconomy.gov
Fuel Economy of New Sport Utility Vehicles
Fuel economy of the . 1984 to present Buyer's Guide to Fuel Efficient Cars and Trucks. Estimates of gas mileage, greenhouse gas emissions, safety ratings, and air pollution ratings for new and used cars and trucks.
www.fueleconomy.gov
So a financial incentive is not to help people financially? Would you accept a pat on the back and return the money? Guessing not.
The base classification rules are the same for NHTSA and the EPA:It is interesting that while some try to rationalize the IRS decision to not list the Model Y as an SUV per some EPA classification, the EPA itself has no problem to classify all model Ys and all VW ID.4s as SUVs.
Fuel Economy of New Sport Utility Vehicles
Fuel economy of the . 1984 to present Buyer's Guide to Fuel Efficient Cars and Trucks. Estimates of gas mileage, greenhouse gas emissions, safety ratings, and air pollution ratings for new and used cars and trucks.
A three row vehicle with two that fold is a light truck / SUV
A two row vehicle needs more cargo than passenger space, or to meet a mulitpart off-highway set of criteria to be a light truck
49 CFR § 523.5 - Non-passenger automobile.
However, the EPA Administrator can reclassify vehicles for their purposes
40 CFR § 600.315-08 - Classes of comparable automobiles.
Treasury could use a less legislative based classification system, but are not required to.
Not sure what you mean.
The classifications, which were provided by the manufacturers, seem to align with definition as currently written by the legislative branch. (other than the Escape PHEV, not sure whatis going on there)
In the EU, the ID.4 AWD has an active suspension option that gives more than 8" clearance, but that's not available in the USA, at least not yet.
Rather than complain that the Model Y should be treated as an SUV (which is clearly isn't), instead complain loudly that the Escape PHEV and ID.4 shouldn't qualify either if plug-in or US variants don't meet the requirement. It's based on the manufacturer submissions.
That is what I put in my input to IRS. All of them should be removed as SUV, including 3 row Model Y.
Or allow trims to be included if one variant does (cargo space increases with 3rd row deleted).
It's 'light truck' that is the issue, not specifically SUV. A 2 seat Y qualifies at $80k as a van.
I would argue that $7.5k should be given to all EVs regardless their type. But PHEV should receive much smaller, if any, credit. Also, please note that we neither discuss European models nor the European incentives here.
Pricedm
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Thanks for posting this link. When I submit written comments (see post #175 IRS definitions of what's a car vs SUV by manufacturer for $55k vs $80k price limit ) this info will be utilized in my comments.It is interesting that while some try to rationalize the IRS decision to not list the Model Y as an SUV per some EPA classification, the EPA itself has no problem to classify all model Ys and all VW ID.4s as SUVs.
Fuel Economy of New Sport Utility Vehicles
Fuel economy of the . 1984 to present Buyer's Guide to Fuel Efficient Cars and Trucks. Estimates of gas mileage, greenhouse gas emissions, safety ratings, and air pollution ratings for new and used cars and trucks.
Here is the part of the clean energy act that shows that there is NO reference to one specific classification the IRS must follow.
from here: 26 U.S. Code § 30D - Clean vehicle credit
Ha, they have removed it! It was there a couple of days ago in the ordering page, a small banner in the same location as the previous $7.5k off and 10k SC miles promotion. Now it's completely gone, Tesla isn't even promoting it after you've selected the 7 seater!
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