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Is $10K too much?

Discussion in 'Autopilot & Autonomous/FSD' started by Dan203, Oct 24, 2020.

  1. dckiwi

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    The question 'Is Product X worth Y dollars' is best asked of commodities like gasoline, milk, or maybe even mobile phones. A commodity product is one that is produced by a large number of different companies, and there is little to differentiate it other than price.

    Tesla is the only company selling this product, so there's nothing to compare it to. Is $10,000 too much to pay for a software upgrade that may (soon) handle most driving tasks for you? I don't know, what other product do you compare it to? It could be a total ripoff, or it could be a bargain. It's kind of like asking whether the SpaceX tickets to orbit the moon are 'too much'. There's no reference point.

    Now of course each of us individually can weigh in on whether it's too much, and ultimately the market will decide. But I would say the 'fair market value' of an autonomous upgrade to a consumer vehicle isn't yet known.
     
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  2. dckiwi

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    #142 dckiwi, Dec 8, 2020
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    PS it's worth it to me, but that value is VERY subjective. I bought FSD for both my Teslas because I want to experience the evolution of autonomous vehicles (and AI generally). I did NOT buy it because driving is too much of a hassle for me (although I agree it does help for long distance trips).

    However, I also have friends who wouldn't pay $100 for it because it's a solution in search of a problem - they want to do their own driving, and they seem (surprisingly) unimpressed with what Tesla FSD can do. The question is, are there enough weirdos like me out there to keep the price at this level :)
     
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  3. EVNow

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    There are enterprise software packages that cost $10k (for one license) that do a miniscule amount of work and has miniscule amount of complexity compared to FSD. Companies still buy those because it will be much more expensive to develop those inhouse.

    OTOH, a very complex operating system like Linux is essentially free (even Windows for ~$100 feels cheap, that way).

    Software is one thing where economies of scale really shines because of almost zero marginal cost.
     
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    #144 andysctu, Dec 14, 2020
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    Same here... all logic and reasoning points me to not get it, but then I remember how cool it was on my test drive to change lanes only using the blinkers...

    Time to add upgrade????
     
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  5. andysctu

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    Does the green light chime still work after your refund now?
     
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    Tesla’s safety features are also included with the car (emergency braking / lane assist, etc), outside of FSD
     
  7. Bednarz42

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    Yea, its still working.
     
  8. andysctu

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    Did you get a full refund? Taxes and everything?
     
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    #149 _jmk, Dec 20, 2020
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    Probability of robotaxi happening in California within the next 5 years: 75%. Probability of it failing miserably and the entire program getting canned for several more years after that: 75%. Probability of robotaxi happening where I live (Finland) during the next 5 years: 20%. Probability of it failing early on and getting suspended 90%. Probability of me ever wanting to operate a robotaxi fleet for Elon with my own cars: 0%.

    So, for me it's just a driver assistance feature and extremely expensive one. I will pass, but I will rent it for random trials when available.
     
  10. Bednarz42

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    Yea, full refund with taxes and everything came through in a couple days.

    Frankly, I'm glad I did it. Buyer's remorse was setting in immediately, can't imagine what level it would be at if I was sitting here at the end of the year with no wide release of FSD. Current capabilities of "FSD" not even close to being worth 8k let alone 10k imo. Can't imagine future improvements would make me feel whole either. Of course thats just my opinion on the value proposition.
     
  11. mspisars

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    Good for you.
    But please - for our sake - don't start 5 threads per month on how "FSD is too expensive" or "FSD subscription is a rip-off down the road.
    I've saved a screenshot of this post just in case you change your mind. :rolleyes:
    Or trash every other thread re FSD with these gems:
    The year is not out yet (although, many do wish it was), wait at least until Jan 1, 2021
     
  12. Bednarz42

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    Wow...really took these "gems" personal huh? Save away I guess. Yikes
     
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  13. 2101Guy

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    I think those are typically what's known as "haters"
     
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  14. patnshan

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    Not to me, it's not. That's why I welcome the sub option if Elon isn't ridiculous with the price.
     

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