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Is $9k worth 310 miles v 220?
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Elon keeps saying the battery cost are below $200/KW with the Gigafactory and plans to about $100/KW soon. That should put the 25KW upgrade at $2500-$5000 in battery cost. Everything else is the same. The rest is profit.
chibi_kurochan
Member
Completely agree!
Also, remember with EV, you only use 80-90% of the actual range (just like gasoline car), so real-life range is ~180-200 miles for SR and 270-280 miles for LR
No there are at least two other differences. The charger is 48A instead of 32A and the battery warranty is 20k Miles longer.
Lots of great insight here to learn from, but for me it comes down to what I expect from my car. Aside from deciding to get a Model 3, the decision to go electric had to satisfy the condition that it will be my only car. I will not have another car, ICE or otherwise, to fall back on. So the most important criteria for me are range and recharge times, even if I only make a few long-distance trips a year, I expect to be able to conveniently use my car to suit my needs. The LR battery does that, while at the same time it also offers better 0-60 performance and a potentially greater resale value. So LR all the way.
bnsfengineer
Active Member
I charge up to about 85% which gives my wife 280 miles. Her commute is 95 miles round trip and one way from about 500 ft Elevation to 4000 ft. She uses about 125 miles which only gives her around 160 for the following day so even though 95 mile round trip I'm still charging every day.
I had an S60 that was rated for 210. I now have a 3 with the 310.. I can tell you its a relief to reduce range anxiety. I never ran out in my S, but there were times that i could not make a local trip because i didn't charge the night before. The problem is you will only charge to 180ish then you will want to leave a buffer .. that gets you down to 150 and frequent charging. If you have a supercharger nearby that could help.
Having the model 3 with the extra milage is a big step up in the EV experience.
Having the model 3 with the extra milage is a big step up in the EV experience.
Early adopters pays the price.
Just some thoughts on what we are really getting for the 75 kw battery
9 kilowatts missing from the hyper milers doing 600 miles on a 32 hrs drive going at 25 mph. According to Tesla the BMS took the 9 kwh.
Factoring in battery degrade about 7% the first 10 yrs.
Charging recommendation at 80%.
Your 75 kw battery usable is more like 50 kilowatts
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Dan Detweiler
Active Member
That's why they changed the badging on the car away from battery size. It gets 310 miles per charge on average, whether that's on 75, 85, or 50 kWh. Doesn't really matter.
Dan
There should be a LR price drop, Elon has said the cost is going below $100KWH. So for 20KWH more it should be $2000 + 20%(profit) = $2,400.00. Factoring in the Cost drop on the base battery. there should be no additional cost for the LR battery or a price drop of the base model.
thebigbobowski
Member
I wouldn't expect this to ever happen, unless it's years down the road. True, they dropped the price on the 75 Model S, but that was five years after it went on sale and included changes in options and what not.
As they improve efficiencies on Model 3 production, they'll want to pocket every last penny (as they should) to remain as profitable as possible.
Using that logic: There should be an EAP price drop: the incremental cost to Tesla is $0, so add 20%(profit) and give it to everyone for FREE!
MacGreiner
5YJ
Asad1087
Member
As others have stated, Tesla will not likely drop the price soon, if at all, for the difference in range. That extra $$$ should be going towards Tesla's expansion efforts -- more SuperChargers, upgrading to v3 SuperChargers, Model Y, new Gigafactory in China and Europe, etc... They have a LOT of stuff coming up on their plate, and they need to be cash flow positive. There are so many people lined up for a Model 3 worldwide that there is no way they run out of customers willing to pay that $9k premium anytime in the next couple of years.
Until they get real competition with similar class of cars, similar features, and ranges, but for cheaper prices, then they should not be dropping prices just because they are getting higher margins. They should be shoving those profits back into their business to expand.
Until they get real competition with similar class of cars, similar features, and ranges, but for cheaper prices, then they should not be dropping prices just because they are getting higher margins. They should be shoving those profits back into their business to expand.
Except it is being reported that if you want a LR with premium package and order now the wait will be much shorter than expected. Make someone wonder how far they are thru the existing reservations. How many are waiting for the cheaper version. Maybe the demand is not what they have been saying?
MacGreiner
5YJ
Nope. $9k extra cost for 90 more miles range = $1k per 10 miles
This.
I am a day 2 online reservation holder, and I don't even have my invite to configure the LR PUP. But even when I get it, I'm waiting for AWD. I'm betting a large number of people who already got the invite are waiting for AWD or P, though definitely a good portion of those people will also be wanting the SR. It's hard to say what the breakdown is without any official numbers from Tesla, or stats on expected preferences.
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