Knightshade
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Yes it does. Read it.
I have.
It doesn't say what you claim.
This is like the 5th or 6th outright false claim you've made in the thread so far.
Why do you keep doing that?
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Yes it does. Read it.
Full autonomy will be dependent on achieving reliability far in excess of human drivers as demonstrated by billions of miles of experience, as well as regulatory approval, which may take longer in some jurisdictions.I have.
It doesn't say what you claim.
This is like the 5th or 6th outright false claim you've made in the thread so far.
Why do you keep doing that?
Full autonomy will be dependent on achieving reliability far in excess of human drivers as demonstrated by billions of miles of experience, as well as regulatory approval, which may take longer in some jurisdictions.
Even the non-Beta FSD is regulated!
In some markets depending on local regulations, lane change confirmation can be turned off by accessing Controls > Autopilot > Customize Navigate on Autopilot and toggle ‘Lane Change Confirmation’ off.
This is for a fully autonomous vehicle, or L5 system. Nowhere does Tesla claim that they have a fully autonomous vehicle yet. In fact, you could read this statement to say that in addition to great reliability, in some jurisdictions, regulatory approval must be secured.Full autonomy will be dependent on achieving reliability far in excess of human drivers as demonstrated by billions of miles of experience, as well as regulatory approval, which may take longer in some jurisdictions.
Where does it say that? You're just making *sugar* up.Yes. In Europe. Not the US where you claimed it was regulated.
READ the full paragraph. It's not and cannot be because of regulation!Neither the current FSD product, not FSDBeta are fully autonomous.
So again- no Tesla did not say that FSD is being restricted by regulators.
I posted a direct link to the NHSTA saying it is but you didn't even bother to READ it so STFU.The US is not one of them since per your own source that is not regulated here at all
You say there are regulations applicable to FSD but you won’t say what they are. Please quote them. You’re not the first person in this forum to make this claim and yet no one has been able to unearth them.I posted a direct link to the NHSTA saying it is but you didn't even bother to READ it so STFU.
Yes, thank you for explaining it better than I ever could.No wonder I'm putting on weight - every time I read TMC there's tons of sugar being thrown about - LOL Can we start using stevia or some alternative form of sweetener?
In all seriousness, I think the confusion is something being regulated and something seeking regulatory approval. Examples of the latter include: adding on to your house without regulatory approval in many cities; building a treehouse in your backyard that can look into your neighbors yard; building a device that transmits EM radiation; etc. Most things in society are regulated, but some things require regulatory approval before even being implemented.
SAE L0 - Regulated but does not require regulatory approval
SAE L1 - Regulated but does not require regulatory approval
SAE L2 - Regulated but does not require regulatory approval (on many, but not all, roads/highways/freeways)
SAE L3 thru L6 - Regulated and requires regulatory approval
There has been some miscommunication/misunderstanding/confusion regarding Tesla FSD (with city streets) that it would be a SAE L3 system. Tesla has clarified that it will be a SAE L2 system and likely remain that way for some time. This is likely to avoid regulatory approval.
L3-L5 are regulated by the states not the federal government. Some states require no regulatory approval. For example Waymo operates driverless robotaxis in Arizona with no approval. However in California they needed approval for both testing and deployment of robotaxis.No wonder I'm putting on weight - every time I read TMC there's tons of sugar being thrown about - LOL Can we start using stevia or some alternative form of sweetener?
In all seriousness, I think the confusion is something being regulated and something seeking regulatory approval. Examples of the latter include: adding on to your house without regulatory approval in many cities; building a treehouse in your backyard that can look into your neighbors yard; building a device that transmits EM radiation; etc. Most things in society are regulated, but some things require regulatory approval before even being implemented.
SAE L0 - Regulated but does not require regulatory approval
SAE L1 - Regulated but does not require regulatory approval
SAE L2 - Regulated but does not require regulatory approval (on many, but not all, roads/highways/freeways)
SAE L3 thru L6 - Regulated and requires regulatory approval
There has been some miscommunication/misunderstanding/confusion regarding Tesla FSD (with city streets) that it would be a SAE L3 system. Tesla has clarified that it will be a SAE L2 system and likely remain that way for some time. This is likely to avoid regulatory approval.
I'm pretty sure Waymo has some sort of approval in AZ. It's not nearly as bureaucratic as CA (shocker!!), but I vaguely remember the AZ governor signing something years ago that set it all up. And Uber got themselves indefinitely "suspended" after killing Elaine Herzberg.L3-L5 are regulated by the states not the federal government. Some states require no regulatory approval. For example Waymo operates driverless robotaxis in Arizona with no approval. However in California they needed approval for both testing and deployment of robotaxis.
I'm pretty sure Waymo has some sort of approval in AZ. It's not nearly as bureaucratic as CA (shocker!!), but I vaguely remember the AZ governor signing something years ago that set it all up. And Uber got themselves indefinitely "suspended" after killing Elaine Herzberg.
Well, that's a new one. Do you have any evidence to support this assertion?The only reason FSD is in beta at all is because of government regulators. Some beaucrat sitting in his office determines how many people in the entire country get to test the beta.
Not to beat a dead horse, but Elon's pronouncements on FSD are utterly worthless.Elon's announcement at Cyber rodeo states that all owners that have purchased FSD will get the the wide release of FSD beta later this year. Does that mean that a safety score is no longer necessary to get the FSD beta?
Well, that's a new one. Do you have any evidence to support this assertion?
I'm splitting hairs here but I don't think that counts as regulatory approval. Is registering a car for personal use regulatory approval? All you have to do is write a letter to the Arizona DOT and within 24-48 hours you can start your robotaxi service.2018 Executive order:
2021 law change:
Self-driving car bill approved by Gov. Doug Ducey
The first bill to impose any regulation on the self-driving car industry was signed by the Gov. Doug Ducey on March 24.www.12news.com
Arizona HB2813 | 2021 | Fifty-fifth Legislature 1st Regular
Bill Text (2021-03-24) Autonomous vehicles [Chapter 117]legiscan.com
There's regulation, but not much. Essentially:
(1) Let us know you're going to run AVs and sign that you'll obey the law and fail safely
(2) Work with law enforcement to avoid that stuff like that video from San Francisco.
It's made up .. the guy is hiding behind obtuse arguments about wording. Nothing to see here.Well, that's a new one. Do you have any evidence to support this assertion?