Is the P3D and LR AWD 3 the same physical car ? Are only the front brakes different ?

[Tes La Ferrari]

with the exception of the performance package ( larger brakes, spoiler badge, fancy pedals) on the later production P3D's ?

Is software the only other difference to account for the performance difference ?

I know that S & X performance have different hardware than regular 100D's - wondering if it was the same with the P3D ?

 

[super20g]

Springs are a little shorter as well I think. But yes, general consensus is that they are the same otherwise. They just flip a bit to enable performance in the car config.

Back when the P3D- was sold, there were plenty of examples of vehicles sold as Performance on the MVPA and customers picking them up to find an AWD Monroney with AWD software enabled requiring service to change the software config to enable Performance and then handing the car back to the customer a few minutes later. There were also examples of buyers picking up purchased AWD's with Performance software enabled. Talk about lucky ducks.

 

[ammulder]

Nobody's mentioned the wheels and tires... I'm far from an expert but I'd say the tires at least make a significant difference to cornering/braking performance.

The suspension is lower, in addition to the brakes, pedals, spoiler, and badge.

There was the claim early on that motors were binned for Performance cars, but as far as I can tell, nobody really knows whether that's true these days.

 

[EVDRVN]

Nobody's mentioned the wheels and tires... I'm far from an expert but I'd say the tires at least make a significant difference to cornering/braking performance.

The suspension is lower, in addition to the brakes, pedals, spoiler, and badge.

There was the claim early on that motors were binned for Performance cars, but as far as I can tell, nobody really knows whether that's true these days.

Sort of but more than 9X.XX % of AWD can be P cars.

 

[Knightshade]

There's never been any evidence whatsoever of motor differences on production cars (with 1 caveat below)- indeed the parts catalog showed the same PN for the drive units from the introduction of the catalog until quite recently- and owners have confirmed with pics under their cars of the drive unit PNs being identical on AWD and P cars.


(disclaimer- a new AWD-LC part was added to the catalog some months ago... there's only been 1 report of any car getting it, one guy in europe iin March I think- who never provided a picture of the PN... this got people thinking maybe up until Feb 2019 or so they were all identical and then they started using a "cheaper" one on the AWD non-P.... but since that one guys claim is the only evidence we have of anyone ever getting that drive unit it remains unclear if that's really the case)

 

[lairdb]

Front suspension damper assembly is different.

 

[Tes La Ferrari]

Nobody's mentioned the wheels and tires... I'm far from an expert but I'd say the tires at least make a significant difference to cornering/braking performance.

The suspension is lower, in addition to the brakes, pedals, spoiler, and badge.

There was the claim early on that motors were binned for Performance cars, but as far as I can tell, nobody really knows whether that's true these days.

What does "binned" mean ?

 

[Tes La Ferrari]

There's never been any evidence whatsoever of motor differences on production cars (with 1 caveat below)- indeed the parts catalog showed the same PN for the drive units from the introduction of the catalog until quite recently- and owners have confirmed with pics under their cars of the drive unit PNs being identical on AWD and P cars.


(disclaimer- a new AWD-LC part was added to the catalog some months ago... there's only been 1 report of any car getting it, one guy in europe iin March I think- who never provided a picture of the PN... this got people thinking maybe up until Feb 2019 or so they were all identical and then they started using a "cheaper" one on the AWD non-P.... but since that one guys claim is the only evidence we have of anyone ever getting that drive unit it remains unclear if that's really the case)

Are the current motors different in the performance cars or is it just a part # change.

Anyone know what would have changed in them ?

 

[adam0785]

Are the current motors different in the performance cars or is it just a part # change.

Anyone know what would have changed in them ?

The attached image is the sole technical documentation provided by Tesla in regards to the whole binning controversy that so many people spent so much time trying to prove.

If I'm wrong, please correct me

 

[Tes La Ferrari]

The attached image is the sole technical documentation provided by Tesla in regards to the whole binning controversy that so many people spent so much time trying to prove.

If I'm wrong, please correct me

What does lot sorted for sigma.../double burn in mean ?

 

[ammulder]

What does "binned" mean ?

What does lot sorted for sigma.../double burn in mean ?

It means they test all the motors and the ones that perform the best go into Performance cars and the others go into AWD cars.

Though again, nobody really knows whether this is (still) for real.

 

[Knightshade]

Are the current motors different in the performance cars or is it just a part # change.

Anyone know what would have changed in them ?

To my knowledge the only evidence that any model 3 ever got anything other than the exact same motors the P gets is the one guy in Europe who claimed in one thread like 2 months ago he got a different PN motor, but then never provided any evidence and nobody else has ever made a similar claim.

Up until that guy we had numerous folks who had checked/posted pics of the motors from LR RWD, LR AWD, P, even MR, and all the motors/drive units were exactly the same part.

 

[1.21GW]

They are the same car except for brakes, wheels, and springs.... and spoiler

Gives me hope that my regular AWD will get future over the air speed updates

 

[timk225]

The smart move for Tesla is to use the same motors for as many applications as possible and just change the amount of power the controller will send to the motor. Having extra parts in inventory will not increase corporate profits.

 

[EVDRVN]

The electronics tested for balance, the closer the parts are for balance the one part will not saturate and overload under high power. As it turns out more than 90% off all AWD units meet this spec regardless in normal production. Any drive outside this spec does not mean it would fail either.

 

[tzlaxmr]

I would probably pay the $10k or whatever for an OTA update that made my car a P-.

Not that the AWD isn't plenty fast (every passenger is blown away by the ride)....it's just that I've gone from not really caring about acceleration before I owned a Tesla to totally addicted now and I want moar.

 

[EVDRVN]

I would probably pay the $10k or whatever for an OTA update that made my car a P-.

Not that the AWD isn't plenty fast (every passenger is blown away by the ride)....it's just that I've gone from not really caring about acceleration before I owned a Tesla to totally addicted now and I want moar.

It won't cost $10K if they offer it and after your warranty is up you will be able to get it very cheap.

 

[kas81]

What about the sway bars? Are they different between AWD and P?

I have been looking in the catalog https://epc.teslamotors.com/ and I have seen 28mm and 29mm front sway bars. Rear sway bars are listed with an AWD and a 16mm. So I guess this means that AWD and P use the same bars, 29mm front and "AWD" in the rear?

 

[Dogtone]

By the looks of this sticker that was on my car the non performance AWD DV4W is a No Performance Chassis PC30
There is a different chassis for the Performance AWD

 

[Msjulie]

I would probably pay the $10k or whatever for an OTA update that made my car a P-.

Stealth Performance or AWD+ more accurate - I'm happy my car doesn't have the 20" rims due to many reasons but the other sway bars, some suspension bits, that would be nice