There is no such thing as an 85D without AP (or at least AP hardware). So unless the current owner is wanting to upgrade to a P, then there is no reason to upgrade. Hence...there are virtually none on the market.I really want to scoop up an 85D, where exactly did you look for one besides here/panjo?
I really want to scoop up an 85D, where exactly did you look for one besides here/panjo?
Go into your closest Tesla store and find a sales person that has been with Tesla for a while and ask them to search your specs for an inventory car, this is the only way to find cars that are not listed..
There's several 90D's listed on Hanks site, why not snag one of them. Prices aren't bad and you still get the credit and more range
Exactly... Still deciding if I want to make the moves to get a new one (taking a MASSIVE hit on depreciation, placing about $30K down and getting another loan). I just don't know if autopilot and the other improvements are ultimately worth it.
Thanks for finding. The thing is, though, is that I can get a new 85D with all the options I want for $85K after incentives. And this one doesn't have dual motors, so the comparable new car price is $80K compared to $83.5K for the used one... (the used car does have lots of features I don't want to pay for, but those simply don't factor in for me)
The least expensive car on that site with autopilot also suffers from similar math. Other than autopilot, it's pretty barebones, so if I compare to a similarly configured new car, I'd only be saving $3K for having to get a used car with different colors and options than what we'd choose.
I don't mind getting used and sacrificing some options we want (other than autopilot) if there were a good discount for doing so, but it just seems that when taking options and tax incentives into account, there's almost no discount for getting used (at least for cars that have autopilot)!
How does one find such a good deal (e.g. S85 w/AP for $65K)?? I haven't found anything close to that. After reviewing the inventory models available at the Tesla dealer, and the CPO website, I couldn't find any options that saved anything at all compared to a new model 85D ($85K after tax credits), especially when taking options into account (I only want to pay for AP, subzero, air suspension and rear seats)...
thats what I was afraid of... I heard it's getting better though and with the latest release, it's much more functional? Also, a sales rep told me they need to learn how to drive in most situations by the driver before AP is actually usable.I did what you're contemplating and I wish I hadn't. Autopilot only works if the road is well-marked, sun isn't shining in your path, road doesn't curve sharply, and on and on. I wish I'd waited for 2.0. And don't buy 2.0 until you've driven it. Current auto-pilot requires you to basically drive the car - keep hands on the wheel and be ready to take over at any time. NOT WORTH IT.
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One uses his craigslist scouring software to pull ads in from all over the country, checks eBay, Autotrader, the forums here and everywhere else you can think.
Happens all the time. I purchased mine from a Chevrolet dealer. They are all over the place out there. If you buy from CPO or in this forum, you are limiting yourself to transactions between enthusiasts of the highest level.So the key is finding a private seller that is not advertising their car on the forums here (as the prices here are inline with the CPO prices)? Hard to believe that someone would sell their Tesla on craigslist or ebay without taking advantage of every Tesla forum to advertise it, but I know anything is possible. Then the question is how much it's worth it to spend the time searching and negotiating and the money traveling and to take the risk on an unknown private seller. As you mention, I suppose it matters how much one enjoys doing that!
So the key is finding a private seller that is not advertising their car on the forums here (as the prices here are inline with the CPO prices)? Hard to believe that someone would sell their Tesla on craigslist or ebay without taking advantage of every Tesla forum to advertise it, but I know anything is possible. Then the question is how much it's worth it to spend the time searching and negotiating and the money traveling and to take the risk on an unknown private seller. As you mention, I suppose it matters how much one enjoys doing that!
Happens all the time. I purchased mine from a Chevrolet dealer. They are all over the place out there. If you buy from CPO or in this forum, you are limiting yourself to transactions between enthusiasts of the highest level.
You can be sure of one thing...you cannot pay more than when dealing between ultra-enthusiasts.
There are lots of Tesla owners that don't participate here. I would even say...the vast vast majority of them are not here.
Couple of tricks from my search...
Look for pictures in the listing with leaves on the trees. Or photos showing 6.x firmware on the dash. Those cars have been for sale a long time.
When buying from non Enthusiast types, you have to do all the work. If that's OK by you, then go save some money.
Not everyone is willing to learn.
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This dealer has had this car since at least July asking $60,000. I tried to offer on it three different times, each time going in telling them it was a cash deal, each time very clearly showing them that their price was the same price Tesla was asking for CPO cars that had been fully checked and had a better warranty. They balked and basically wouldn't budge on the price. It's a buy here, pay here lot. Nobody is going in there to buy a Tesla and they had a buyer (me) come in three times with a cash offer that was very fair ($52,000 the first time up to $55,000 the last time I offered).
I finally gave up and a couple weeks later the prices dropped out. I bought my fully optioned car with 13,000 less miles for $8,000 less and their car with that mileage is probably worth $50,000 right now, likely less. Some people don't know when to cut their losses. They'd rather hold on to an asset so they don't have to realize the loss, not understanding that they're losing more than they would have otherwise. In this case they're likely going to get 48kish for that when they could have had 55k and free'd that money up months ago.
But I'm not complaining. It all worked fine for me. The businessman in me aches for them though and to their credit they were always nice when they told me to go pound sand.
Yes, but due to my obsessive nature, now I'm wondering if AP 2.0 or some other massive advancement would just make the new car plummet in price/resale value too.
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Insultingly enough, Tesla's CPO department offered me $54k...