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Hi folks,

Is this normal?

TL:DR: Tesla made multiple pricing/listing errors, attempted to deliver a damaged/dirty used car and won’t return my communications.

I found a 2016 P100D at Tesla.com that was exactly what I was looking for.

I originally placed an online reservation on Tuesday, March 24th. I was contacted that afternoon and was told the car would arrive within 7-10 days. Great! Three days later, a used car advisor contacted me to tell me there was a pricing mistake and the actual car price would be $5,000 more and I had until the following Monday to decide to take the car or get a refund for the $100 reservation.

I researched prices and confirmed that the price was very low. I agreed to take the car for $5000 more but with the $500 transfer fee waived. A couple of days later, I found “my” car for sale again (at a lower price) on the Tesla website. I paid the reservation fee again to secure the car and called my advisor.

My advisor admitted there was a mistake in relisting the car, honored the lower online price and waived the $500 transfer fee with a promise to refund the second reservation fee.

3 weeks after my initial reservation, my appointment arrived and I was very excited to finally get the car. At pickup, I expected to see some normal wear and tear found on a 35,000 mile car like swirl marks, light scratches, paint scuffs, light door dings and some interior wear. I was not prepared to find a rear bumper with multiple 18 inch long cracks, missing paint and deformed plastic. This car is rough and will need a new bumper at the minimum. Not to mention all the small scratches and scuffs, there is a significant ding and missing paint on the leading edge of the hood and a good sized ding in the center of it, most likely from a golf ball. The exterior had been washed and waxed, but the interior was a mess. It was vacuumed, but every surface was grimy and dirty. We looked in the console and found an old Tic-Tac. There is white paint on the steering wheel. It was clear that the car had been washed and vacuumed, but no attempt to present a clean car was made.

The delivery guys were great and understood my rejection of the car.

I called the used car center main number because my advisor did not respond to my calls, texts or voicemails that day. I took a vacation day to drive 1.5 hours to the delivery center and wanted to make the best of it. I made an offer that I would accept the car if they repaired the bumper or reduced the price by $1k so that I could have the repair made. I hung around town for 3 more hours hoping to hear a decision. No official response to my offer. I called and texted my advisor a dozen times over the next 3 days with no response. I still don’t have the refund from the duplicate reservation fee.

I work in the apartment business and occasionally deal with escalated resident issues. I have been 100% professional and understanding as I know that business issues can occur. I also understand that we are dealing with a crisis and they may be short staffed. They have no reason to avoid me.

Has anyone else experienced an ordeal like this?
 
It sounds like a typical experience.

Why should Tesla repaint the bumper or reduce the price? It's a used car, not a refurbished or certified pre-owned car. They will fix issues if it affects the safety of the car or how it drives under the warranty. Otherwise, you're on your own.

If you don't like it someone else will buy it. I don't think Tesla really cares about keeping you as a customer.
 
It sounds like a typical experience.

Why should Tesla repaint the bumper or reduce the price? It's a used car, not a refurbished or certified pre-owned car. They will fix issues if it affects the safety of the car or how it drives under the warranty. Otherwise, you're on your own.

If you don't like it someone else will buy it. I don't think Tesla really cares about keeping you as a customer.

Yeah, pretty evident, retention or acquisition is not their focus... They have no competition...
 
Yes, I reserved another one with half the miles for the same price. Despite my delivery issues, I’m still willing to buy one.

I would encourage a used car buyer to look very hard before accepting a car. I have carefully (obsessively?) looked at the pictures for every car offered on the Tesla website. I am shocked that the majority of them have been treated roughly.

It seems they treat the used cars as commodities, starting them at a high price and reducing the price over time until someone pulls the trigger. I would think that refurbishing the cars would net good gains over the current program. They have more used Model S cars for sale than new cars.

Fingers crossed for this one!
 
Very normal. Elon is customer service focused for sure. LOL. Most of the Tesla BS is avoidable but the culture and tactics have sadly become worse than used car dealers. There is an entire horror story thread here on CPO cars. This issue is also available to experience in delivery and purchase of a new Tesla so they are consistent in that manner.
 
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Hi folks,

Is this normal?

TL:DR: Tesla made multiple pricing/listing errors, attempted to deliver a damaged/dirty used car and won’t return my communications.

I found a 2016 P100D at Tesla.com that was exactly what I was looking for.

I originally placed an online reservation on Tuesday, March 24th. I was contacted that afternoon and was told the car would arrive within 7-10 days. Great! Three days later, a used car advisor contacted me to tell me there was a pricing mistake and the actual car price would be $5,000 more and I had until the following Monday to decide to take the car or get a refund for the $100 reservation.

I researched prices and confirmed that the price was very low. I agreed to take the car for $5000 more but with the $500 transfer fee waived. A couple of days later, I found “my” car for sale again (at a lower price) on the Tesla website. I paid the reservation fee again to secure the car and called my advisor.

My advisor admitted there was a mistake in relisting the car, honored the lower online price and waived the $500 transfer fee with a promise to refund the second reservation fee.

3 weeks after my initial reservation, my appointment arrived and I was very excited to finally get the car. At pickup, I expected to see some normal wear and tear found on a 35,000 mile car like swirl marks, light scratches, paint scuffs, light door dings and some interior wear. I was not prepared to find a rear bumper with multiple 18 inch long cracks, missing paint and deformed plastic. This car is rough and will need a new bumper at the minimum. Not to mention all the small scratches and scuffs, there is a significant ding and missing paint on the leading edge of the hood and a good sized ding in the center of it, most likely from a golf ball. The exterior had been washed and waxed, but the interior was a mess. It was vacuumed, but every surface was grimy and dirty. We looked in the console and found an old Tic-Tac. There is white paint on the steering wheel. It was clear that the car had been washed and vacuumed, but no attempt to present a clean car was made.

The delivery guys were great and understood my rejection of the car.

I called the used car center main number because my advisor did not respond to my calls, texts or voicemails that day. I took a vacation day to drive 1.5 hours to the delivery center and wanted to make the best of it. I made an offer that I would accept the car if they repaired the bumper or reduced the price by $1k so that I could have the repair made. I hung around town for 3 more hours hoping to hear a decision. No official response to my offer. I called and texted my advisor a dozen times over the next 3 days with no response. I still don’t have the refund from the duplicate reservation fee.

I work in the apartment business and occasionally deal with escalated resident issues. I have been 100% professional and understanding as I know that business issues can occur. I also understand that we are dealing with a crisis and they may be short staffed. They have no reason to avoid me.

Has anyone else experienced an ordeal like this?
No, but I have not bought a used car from Tesla, most of mine are bought off eBay (Last 7 aut purchases, sans two Model S's that I bought new from Tesla), the 2nd Model S I got on Ebay from a original owner. I refuse to buy from dealers too, they add unnecessary costs... buy used from owners only
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Tesla is kind of a pass through intermediary for people wanting to trade in their used Tesla on a new one.

They buy them as a service then resell them on their websites.

If a car is crappy when it gets purchased used, that usually means it was crappy when the previous owner turned it in.
 
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Yes, I reserved another one with half the miles for the same price. Despite my delivery issues, I’m still willing to buy one.

I would encourage a used car buyer to look very hard before accepting a car. I have carefully (obsessively?) looked at the pictures for every car offered on the Tesla website. I am shocked that the majority of them have been treated roughly.

It seems they treat the used cars as commodities, starting them at a high price and reducing the price over time until someone pulls the trigger. I would think that refurbishing the cars would net good gains over the current program. They have more used Model S cars for sale than new cars.

Fingers crossed for this one!

Fingers crossed for you too bud... If you have a checklist you're working on, please do share... I do intend to go through stuff with a fine tooth comb too... But I don't know what they're allowing these days... Plus I heard it depends on the service/delivery centers too... When is your delivery scheduled?
 
Tesla is kind of a pass through intermediary for people wanting to trade in their used Tesla on a new one.

They buy them as a service then resell them on their websites.

If a car is crappy when it gets purchased used, that usually means it was crappy when the previous owner turned it in.

CPO? So does that mean Tesla certifies them as crappy as well? I don't know of any other car MFG that resells cars in such poor condition and with so much misrepresentation and lack of disclosure. Pretty pathetic IMO and it degrades the brand over time. Musk is clueless about brand degradation and customer service.
 
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CPO? So does that mean Tesla certifies them as crappy as well? I don't know of any other car MFG that resells cars in such poor condition and with so much misrepresentation and lack of disclosure. Pretty pathetic IMO and it degrades the brand over time. Musk is clueless about brand degradation and customer service.

I don't know what it says on your Tesla website, but in my country the initials CPO are nowhere to be found. It doesn't mean certified previously owned, or crappy previous owner.

They used to advertise CPO's with a +200 point inspection and all cosmetic damages repaired. That ended in mid 2018.

Now the website just says "used" where it turned into a 70 point inspection where it is a safety check first, (tires with at least 50% tread, windows have no cracks) and everything is in good working order second.

But the vehicles still have 4 year 80,000 km warranty from date or purchase.

Mercedes gives you 2 years. (but 120,000 km)

Bring My Wallet gives you 1 year.

I haven't looked at other "CPO's" from other brands but can we say Tesla has the best "used" vehicle warranty in the industry?
 
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I don't know what it says on your Tesla website, but in my country the initials CPO are nowhere to be found. It doesn't mean certified previously owned, or crappy previous owner.

They used to advertise CPO's with a +200 point inspection and all cosmetic damages repaired. That ended in mid 2018.

Now the website just says "used" where it turned into a 70 point inspection where it is a safety check first, (tires with at least 50% tread, windows have no cracks) and everything is in good working order second.

But the vehicles still have 4 year 80,000 km warranty from date or purchase.

Mercedes gives you 2 years. (but 120,000 km)

Bring My Wallet gives you 1 year.

I haven't looked at other "CPO's" from other brands but can we say Tesla has the best "used" vehicle warranty in the industry?


The warranty is not the issue. Good they don't brag., Take a stroll through the dedicated threads on this it's pretty horrific.
 
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CPO? So does that mean Tesla certifies them as crappy as well? I don't know of any other car MFG that resells cars in such poor condition and with so much misrepresentation and lack of disclosure. Pretty pathetic IMO and it degrades the brand over time. Musk is clueless about brand degradation and customer service.
This is exactly why I've been trying to get a few members on this forum to stop intentionally misusing the term "CPO" to describe the cars that Tesla sells because it's misleading to those who don't yet understand the difference. They're used with a warranty and if people approach them from that perspective it's easier to make an informed decision based on facts. Not sure why some are so insistent on being able to intentionally use improper terminology but it brings their intelligence into question when they can't see it through the eyes of someone else and how frustrating and confusing that can be when the solution is simply not using an incorrect acronym.
 
The warranty is not the issue. Good they don't brag., Take a stroll through the dedicated threads on this it's pretty horrific.

Yeah I know, and I typically don't get caught up in these threads, because I have the mindset the same as Tesla:

instead of cleaning up the cars; removing the gum wrappers from under the seat, cleaning some stains from the trunk, wiping the dirt from the trunk shocks, and spraying all the plastic and tires with "high gloss shine" product, polishing the car and charging the customer another 2-3K, just sell the car as is and let the customer clean it up and maybe fix as much of the bodywork as they like, either on their own or paying a third party specialist to do it. (And I hate shiny tires with the tripe that dirt sticks to.) Just make it mechanically sound, and pass on the savings to the customer.

It is the same mentality of Tesla having a dealer less model. Personally I don't want to pay some slime ball in a cheap 3 piece suit make $500 off of me just to have me sign the paperwork on the car that I was already going to buy from the used car dealer. Just let me buy it, skip the middleman, and can I pocket the $500 please? Why do we need the salesman?
 
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They used to advertise CPO's with a +200 point inspection and all cosmetic damages repaired. That ended in mid 2018.
They don't use the term but whats the difference when a manufacturer inspects the car, warranties the car and sell the car? It may not be the greatest inspection but I'm not aware of a minimum standard that makes a car CPO other than the manufacturer selling it as a car they warrant.

And Tesla use the term internally - look at the html of any used car and you'll see whetther its passed its CPO inspection or not...

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