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It’s Now Way Easier For Small Businesses To Go Solar

Discussion in 'Energy, Environment, and Policy' started by S'toon, Jul 29, 2015.

  1. S'toon

    S'toon Knows where his towel is

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    Full article at:
    http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/07/29/3685286/solarcity-small-businesses-plan/
     
  2. TheTalkingMule

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    SolarCity is really making some moves. They took themselves out a $125M loan this week to presumably buy up some more companies.

    This industry is on the move and getting efficient!

    Can't wait to see how this huge Buffalo factory affects solar in the US.
     
  3. nwdiver

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    Agreed; The largest obstacle... possibly the ONLY obstacle will be utility acceptance... or to be more precise... how corrupt the utility commission is... Solar is DOA in very very sunny SE New Mexico... unless you want to get batteries and not tell Xcel that you're supplementing the grid with your own power. But... at some point the Solar Companies will be able to offer the bigger bribe...

    Charging their customers ~$0.03/kWh for self-generated electricity... well played Xcel... Disgusting but well played...
     
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    Everyone knows full well we're way behind on upgrading the grid to work with renewables, but what about proactive measures around how utilities will even exist? In Germany utilities went from huge profits to junk in a matter of maybe 3 years. That's in a socialist engineering base country that can adapt logically, what the heck are we gonna do when that happens?

    Our utilities carry huge amounts of debt and as renewables enter their world there's an exponential plummet in profit. Solar eats the entire peak demand, so this transition won't really be a "transition" at all, more like a trainwreck. Monied interests will simply bail on utilities once there's no avenue to profit and we'll have no mechanism in place to sustain the grid. Or am I being paranoid? Admittedly I don't have much grid knowledge.

    If you owned a small business park and you could get the financing, you'd shift right to your own solar/battery supply rather than pay the huge meter increases that will surely come, right? There needs to be a coordinated plan to deal with the aftermath of that.
     
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    Agreed... but a fee that is completely independent of how much or how little I use their services is not the answer.
     
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    I think the reality is if some utilities can't hack it with DG solar taking revenue, they will be forced to sell to the highest bidder. All monopolies eventually get broken down into smaller chunks anyway. I feel many other utilities or energy companies will buy up assets at great prices.

    The grid will continue on regardless of who owns it so worries are a little overestimated.

    In Missouri, they are looking to separate revenue from profit, which is exactly how utitlies need to assess their business success. When profit isn't tied to revenues, they can sell off expensive assets and work to build the most cost effective grid while maintaining healthy profits for investors.

    In New York, ConEdison is developing a non regulated DG business with sunpower. This shows not all utilities are against DG and see the massive benefit. It's only more proof some other utilities are clearly working from a monopoly preservation agenda(like warren buffet for example). Even in Arizona, we can see the irony of APS saying leased DG is cost shifting but then at the same time, offering 3000 of its customers leased DG for $30 off their bill.

    The grid will transform. It's just a matter of who will be the new kings holding the cards in the end.
     

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