@mikes_fsd i see you keep disagreeing with this fact. If you have opposing evidence that contradicts what was submitted to the California DMV please feel free to share with the class.
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It's happening....FSD v9 to be released (to current beta testers)
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rxlawdude
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Imagine how disappointed he'd be that his Magic Chef range didn't make complete meals itself.
Here's an article on this basic topic, though considering bicycles (far easier to search for than open doors of parked cars). Quoting a relevant section:
...Crossing the centerline (whether it’s marked as a double yellow or not) is a common and generally accepted practice. The likelihood of getting a traffic ticket after executing a safe pass is almost zero. ...
The Double Yellow Line: What Is A Motorist To Do?
I have a few boxes of Self-Drilling Screws. I've waited for years and years, but still they've never lived up to the name.Imagine how disappointed he'd be that his Magic Chef range didn't make complete meals itself.
Must be a Hardware problem...
Of course. that's called "being a CEO". But to be fair in this case he at no point said FSD v9 beta was a general release.
Tam
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Of course, it's fine as long as the driver's skin is not black or brown: "....two-to-one increased likelihood of being pulled over if you are nonwhite."
"He studied the manual and he studied the law and he found that there were so many technical violations of either the vehicle code, such as tinted windows or a crack on the brake light, or the traffic code, such as touching the yellow line, that you can be pulled over for
Why Traffic Stops Don’t Stop Crime - The Crime Report
A new book examines the arrest data produced by police stops in North Carolina, and finds the public safety benefit was minimal. In a conversation with The Crime Report, co-author Frank Baumgartner says it should make police departments across the US reevaluate a practice that is often...
thecrimereport.org
I don't find such a reference in the article I quoted; to be clear I only linked it because I found the pertinent text.Of course, it's fine as long as the driver's skin is not black or brown: "....two-to-one increased likelihood of being pulled over if you are nonwhite."
"He studied the manual and he studied the law and he found that there were so many technical violations of either the vehicle code, such as tinted windows or a crack on the brake light, or the traffic code, such as touching the yellow line, that you can be pulled over for
Why Traffic Stops Don’t Stop Crime - The Crime Report
A new book examines the arrest data produced by police stops in North Carolina, and finds the public safety benefit was minimal. In a conversation with The Crime Report, co-author Frank Baumgartner says it should make police departments across the US reevaluate a practice that is often...
I understand that today absolutely everything is racially-sensitive, social-justice-sensitive, politically-sensitive or some other sensitive to some people who long to be highly sensitive. Even given that, I honestly do not follow the sequitur from a road-marker vs. safety question to a highly charged socio-political point.
If you are observing that there are so many laws, regarding traffic as well as every other aspect of our society, that anyone can find a charge to bring when such is desired in any situation, then I'd have to agree with you - but far more broadly than traffic-stop politics.
Otherwise, let's please keep the discussion of color to Pearl White, Solid Black, Midnight Silver, Deep Blue and Red Multi-Coat. And the discussion of race to the technical aspects of Tesla acceleration and handling on a track.
speedyranger74
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Tam
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This thread seems to claim it’s not a legal big deal in “Crossing the centerline”.
True, not if you are white but it can be a deadly traffic pullover by the police if a driver is nonwhite.
The article explains how to practice a pullover by “appearance” which is thrown out by a court and make it into by “touching the yellow line” traffic code violation and then claims that action has nothing to do with racial profiling:
…The first sheriff to do this was in Florida. He kept getting his cases thrown out because judges all said he had no probable cause because he was literally just pulling people over because of appearances. That sheriff then went to the vehicle and highway codes and found that Florida highway laws gave him 500 reasons to pull someone over. He studied the manual and he studied the law and he found that there were so many technical violations of either the vehicle code, such as tinted windows or a crack on the brake light, or the traffic code, such as touching the yellow line, that you can be pulled over for…
The magic of this system is that white middle-class people were unaware that the police were using visual cues towards young men of color and treating them in such a different manner. If you’re black or brown, you’re a suspect citizen right from the beginning.
It’s the same way that Giuliani explained how to practice “Muslim ban” by not mentioning the word “Muslim” but by mentioning “national security”.
…fears about the influence of racial profiling and police bias on these common, day-to-day policing practices have grown…
In the implementation of an Autonomous System with a simple bug like flashing/flickering of the Auto High Beam or crossing a yellow line might result in a benign pullover but the system should also take into account that a trigger for a benign pullover for non-whites could end up deadly for them.
rxlawdude
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lynnpt2001
Cookie Monster MX & M3
My $5k FSD investment is now worth $10k in a ~year.
Personally, I wouldn't mind if FSD was pushed out to HW4 so I get a new computer. I use AP all the time, but don't think I'll be using autosteer city much.
Personally, I wouldn't mind if FSD was pushed out to HW4 so I get a new computer. I use AP all the time, but don't think I'll be using autosteer city much.
What about us? Paid for FSD but not the elite Beta tester. Should I be content with whao! and hoops of few. Reliable and safe functionalities should be released to all.
Well I think that's exactly the issue, wouldn't you agree? Reliable and safe.
There are much-discussed examples that appeared within a day of the v9 Beta release, that certainly look like there would be an accident without driver intervention or, if it went on a half-second longer, without skilled reaction by the other-car unsuspecting driver.
I want this program to succeed but I'm always kind of holding my breath. The worst thing that could happen is a general release that's premature. So many users, not well-vetted, incurring these risky and not-ready-for-prime-time behaviors, that multiple accident videos appear worldwide - and if that's not bad enough they'll be inevitably exaggerated to boot. It'll be a meme, Tesla cars creating havoc everywhere.
The harm to Tesla and our FSD hopes stemming from this would set back the program much more than the additional delay of getting the software ready for wide release.
If the UI on the center screen is what "Tesla Vision" / Dojo / whatever is "seeing," it's doing a very poor job of picking up inanimate objects. It's not just those columns, I saw someone going through Chicago and it just wasn't picking up objects in a construction zone that weren't a truck or car. I don't know if the UI is exactly what it's going off of, but if it is, Tesla Vision (or vision only) doesn't seem all that great.
GlockWorkOrnge
'20 Model Y Performance
This is a public beta for all FSD purchasers?
That's great and all, but I don't think we'll have something for public consumption or a subscription model for another year at this rate.
Elon really is full of sh!t.
That's great and all, but I don't think we'll have something for public consumption or a subscription model for another year at this rate.
Elon really is full of sh!t.
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