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EV_de
Model SP10/XP9 EU ZOE#47
... Tesla's (Panasonic) cells .......
Google Translation.
The batteries can be designed to bridge, according to Daimler deliver - until the Evonik subsidiary Li-Tec own batteries.
"The Tesla batteries are currently the best solution if you now want to begin the production of pure electric vehicles," a Daimler spokesman said on demand from the automotive week.
Daimler According to a high three-digit number of batteries and units of Tesla are available.
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if TM and Daimer have a "quid pro quo" contract TM may get the Li-Tec technology if they ready.
Daimler AG and Evonik Industries AG got a Joint-Venture for
mass-production of Li-Tec Battery Packs - founding the "Accumotive"
Company.
Google Translation.
The batteries can be designed to bridge, according to Daimler deliver - until the Evonik subsidiary Li-Tec own batteries.
"The Tesla batteries are currently the best solution if you now want to begin the production of pure electric vehicles," a Daimler spokesman said on demand from the automotive week.
Daimler According to a high three-digit number of batteries and units of Tesla are available.
----------------------------------------------
if TM and Daimer have a "quid pro quo" contract TM may get the Li-Tec technology if they ready.
Daimler AG and Evonik Industries AG got a Joint-Venture for
mass-production of Li-Tec Battery Packs - founding the "Accumotive"
Company.
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Very interesting. Durability in harsh thermal environments looks impressive, as does the discharge/recharge cycle figure in the thousands.
If they can match that to high energy and power densities, it's a winner - I suspect however that this may be why they are sticking with Tesla's system for now.
mt2
Member
Based on some of the claims in the video, I have to wonder if this is the "different chemistry" that is supposed to make up the Model S 300 mile battery.
stopcrazypp
Well-Known Member
I'm pretty sure Tesla already has the cells locked down for the 300 mile Model S. They are discussed in the thread below:
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php?t=4004&highlight=panasonic+cells
It shouldn't be that expensive - anvils are used to make commercial grade diamonds. (In fact, you don't have diamonds until after the process.)
DaveD
EVs Kick Gas!
Norbert
TSLA will win
So they found a way to hide a lot of energy. But how do they get it back out?
These press releases are playing with my patience...
Edit: I meant: premature reports, not press releases...
You're probably right :redface: So a few milligrams per pressing.
It should still be cheaper than a hydrogen fuel cell.
Should also be ready by 2050:wink:
PeterW
Member
JRP3
Hyperactive Member
That would be nice. The price of large sized prismatic cells, TS, CALB, etc. hasn't changed in the last year :frown:
The numbers in the article aren't intenally consistent. Itt says that the 2009 cost is $1000/kWh. Then it says the Roadster battery cost $33,000. Since the Roadster battery is (roughly) 53kWh, it would be $53K at their battery price, or the price of batteries was really more like $600/kWh.
I believe the latter ($600/kWh in 2009). That's then consistent with both the Obama target of $300 in 2015 and the LG comment that they want to cut the price in half by then.
$300/kWh batteries in 2015 would still be kind of steep for low priced BEVs; the Roadster pack would still cost over $15K. If it gets to $100/kWh, however, then ICEs are heading for niche-market status, especially if they can increase the energy density by a comparable amount. That would mean $5K for a 200 mile pack for a small call, and for $15k you could get 400 miles for a pretty big vehicle or more like 6-700 for a Roadster class machine. Seattle to San Francisco on a charge would pretty much kill range anxiety.
JRP3
Hyperactive Member
LiFePO4 prismatic cells were already at $400/kwh about a year ago, to the general public. I'm sure an OEM could get even better pricing.
Future Tech: Solid State Electrolytes for Li-Ion
Just stumbled across this tidbit - it seems Florida startup Planar Energy has recently been making some waves with its new vacuum-free roll-to-roll process for producing solid-state Li-Ion electrolytes.
They're claiming their technology could enable development of solid-state Li-Ion batteries with 2-3x more energy capacity (and at half the price) of existing technologies. They've got a long way to go yet (building samples, cycle testing, etc.) but this tech could be really promising for Tesla et al. a few years down the road...
New Energy & Fuel Article
Technology Review Article
Just stumbled across this tidbit - it seems Florida startup Planar Energy has recently been making some waves with its new vacuum-free roll-to-roll process for producing solid-state Li-Ion electrolytes.
They're claiming their technology could enable development of solid-state Li-Ion batteries with 2-3x more energy capacity (and at half the price) of existing technologies. They've got a long way to go yet (building samples, cycle testing, etc.) but this tech could be really promising for Tesla et al. a few years down the road...
New Energy & Fuel Article
Technology Review Article
I didn't intend to come across as a spammer - I've been lurking on this forum for a really long time and just wanted to put the articles out there 'cause I found them interesting...
JRP3
Hyperactive Member
No problem. It just fit the profile, though. First post with lots of links promoting a specific company or product.
Anyhow, welcome!
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