Single phase 240V up to 63A is easily available in the UK (which despite euro-sceptic politicians is and always will be geographically in Europe!). Eledille, in your experience, to which countries does the "no higher than 16A on single phase" apply?
The UK is definitely geographically in Europe. The rest of us think of you as Europeans even if you don't yourselves, most of us even like you
Do you really have 63A single phase sockets already installed all over the country - can you drive into a truck stop and expect to find such an outlet?
It's technically easy to install a huge 230V single phase outlet, you just connect it through the fuse and RCD between one phase and neutral, but I hear that many places you will not be allowed to do that above 32A (see the thread Charging the Roadster - EU Style).
But that's not the point, the point is that such outlets are not common, while three phase outlets are. What I meant is that I don't think you will be able to find a place to charge your Model S at more than 16A 230V single phase in continental Europe, at least not without moving a kitchen stove out of the way. In Sweden and Denmark, even dryers and kitchen stoves are commonly three phase. I'd be very happy to learn that I'm mistaken.
On the other hand, I often spot 3-phase outlets.
I've been to Norway, Sweden, Denmark, England, Germany, Croatia and France, and will soon visit Spain. My visits to France and Croatia were before I became interested in electric cars, so I wasn't particularly looking in those countries.
Overall I 100% agree that in Europe 3~ up to 63A is the "low hanging fruit" for fast charge, and that Tesla must support it.
I'd be very interested to see what Tesla has said to you about 3-phase. In my case I have an email from a Tesla product manager saying there is no chance of the Roadster ever being upgraded for 3-phase, and he sees no evidence of any general interest in the industry in supporting the Mennekes standard. I worry this indicates an overly US-centric viewpoint that may hurt Tesla badly.
Ouch. When was that from?
The 3~ support promise was for Model S, not the Roadster. But if they decide to make changes to the Roadster, I assume that they will consider the needs of Model S too when deciding what to do.
I wouldn't be very surprised if they choose not to provide 3~ for the Roadster. In Europe, however, I really believe that Model S will depend on 3~ support to sell at all.
Unfortunately I have to make a small tactical retreat here. I was certain the promise was unconditional, I see now that it wasn't. He promises unconditionally that Model S will be adapted to European standards. Then he's merely assuming that three phase up to 63A will be supported. Even so, this is a fairly strong statement, I think.
My translation of the reply I got from the Sales and Marketing Director of Tesla Motors Europe, after contacting sales at teslamotors dot com follows:
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Thank you for your mail.
All information we have on Model S at this time is for the American model. But it will naturally be adapted to European standards.
I assume it will support three phase charging at 63A.
Regarding plugs, Tesla will support all the standards. We will avoid the standards war, but will support the dominant standard in each market. (*)
Regarding changes to the power electronics of the Roadster, this is not so simple, as the power must be stored correctly by the battery. But we are working on various solutions, one example is power electronics that merge three phases to a single, so that the Roadster can be charged optimally with just 24A three phase.
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(*) I took this to mean that they will provide adapters.
Original in Danish:
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Tak for din mail.
Alle informationer vi har om Model S på nuværende tidspunkt er for den Amerikanske model. Men den vil selvfølgelig blive tilpasset Europæiske standarder.
Jeg vil gætte på, at den kommer til at understøtte tre fase opladning på 63A.
Mht. til stik, så understøtter Tesla alle standarder. Vi vil ikke blande os i standard krigen, men blot understøtte den dominerende standard på de enkelte markeder.
Mht. at lave kraftekeltronikken i Roadsteren om, så er det ikke helt så lige til idet batteriet kræver at strømmen lagres korrekt. Men vi arbejder på forskellige løsninger - eksempelvis kraftelektronik som lægger tre faser sammen til en enkelt, så du kan lade roadsteren optimalt med blot 24A tre fase.