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German Court Suspends Driver For Adjusting Wiper Speed In Tesla Model 3
It did I have to say get me thinking. Its a difficult balance, and I'm not sure who is right and wrong?
On the one hand you have a law that is probably a bit too pushy if its saying you can't use any electronic devices while driving, but some cars are increasingly becoming electronic devices. It doesn't look like the judgement tried to clear that up at all, which is a shame.
On the other hand, maybe the German law is right, and you shouldn't need to interact with the touch screen for some sub set of safety critical interactions. Presumably this guy either found his previous set speed to be inadequate for changing circumstances, or Auto wasn't reacting quickly enough for him.
Either way I feel for the guy - this is way bigger than him and his local court. Realistically it should be for Tesla and a decent sized court to agree whether the law, tesla or some combination need to change. You can't just send people to jail for adjusting their windscreen wipers.
Because I'm me, I have to leave some suggestions on what I would like to see to fix this. I think the law has a point, and I have been in the 'going round the corner arg f£%k puddle splash or something arg why arn't the winscreen wipers going faster arg arg arg' type situation too. You shouldn't need to make 2 stabs at a touch screen to change the wiper speed. There are many options, but the 2 I like most are:
Thoughts? Am I just insane, and should the guy claim some compensation from tesla for their design sending him to jail?
Don't know how many saw this?
German Court Suspends Driver For Adjusting Wiper Speed In Tesla Model 3
It did I have to say get me thinking. Its a difficult balance, and I'm not sure who is right and wrong?
On the one hand you have a law that is probably a bit too pushy if its saying you can't use any electronic devices while driving, but some cars are increasingly becoming electronic devices. It doesn't look like the judgement tried to clear that up at all, which is a shame.
On the other hand, maybe the German law is right, and you shouldn't need to interact with the touch screen for some sub set of safety critical interactions. Presumably this guy either found his previous set speed to be inadequate for changing circumstances, or Auto wasn't reacting quickly enough for him.
Either way I feel for the guy - this is way bigger than him and his local court. Realistically it should be for Tesla and a decent sized court to agree whether the law, tesla or some combination need to change. You can't just send people to jail for adjusting their windscreen wipers.
Because I'm me, I have to leave some suggestions on what I would like to see to fix this. I think the law has a point, and I have been in the 'going round the corner arg f£%k puddle splash or something arg why arn't the winscreen wipers going faster arg arg arg' type situation too. You shouldn't need to make 2 stabs at a touch screen to change the wiper speed. There are many options, but the 2 I like most are:
- Easiest from a coding POV would be to promote the wiper adjust interface a step higher in the UI. Possibly only when they are already on. Then adjusting them becomes a single stab in a consistent position. Could even keep the UI as it is, but make the wiper card not auto dismiss while the wipers are still on. Law is updated through whatever mechanism this is done in Germany (would be a higher court or case law after the change here) to reflect that a single interaction with a touch screen is OK in a predefined set of circumstances.
- Safest from a UI POV would be to double up the use of one of the physical controls. Either some combination of double tapping the single wipe button (press to wipe, 2 seconds to follow up with a single, double, triple or quad tap to set a manual speed), or for 2 seconds after a single wipe the volume key lets you set faster or slower manual speed, with a flick upwards (like a 5mph AP speed increase) to go back to auto.
Thoughts? Am I just insane, and should the guy claim some compensation from tesla for their design sending him to jail?
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