Autopilot has killed like 10 people per 300k vehicles sold.
Autopilot has saved more lives that you claim it has killed. And it hasn't killed (i.e., was the primary contributing cause) as many as you claim.
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Autopilot has killed like 10 people per 300k vehicles sold.
Autopilot has saved more lives that you claim it has killed. And it hasn't killed (i.e., was the primary contributing cause) as many as you claim.
The current U.S. stat for vehicle fatalities is 11 per billion miles, which, with average yearly vehicle miles of 13473, would be 11 per 74000 vehicles per year.
So on a 300k vehicles fleet there should be 44 fatalities. Per year.
If Tesla brought this down to 10 fatalities in 3 years, they've already won the battle. And I don't think it's as high as 10 even.
The current U.S. stat for vehicle fatalities is 11 per billion miles, which, with average yearly vehicle miles of 13473, would be 11 per 74000 vehicles per year.
So on a 300k vehicles fleet there should be 44 fatalities. Per year.
If Tesla brought this down to 10 fatalities in 3 years, they've already won the battle. And I don't think it's as high as 10 even.
Randall Munroe agrees about fearing people.
Agree completely. Tesla over-sold auto-pilot. Should never have been called that - people naturally think it means they don't have to drive the car. I hope Tesla gets slapped with heavy monetary penalties over recent crashes to save future lives. Tesla should post pictures of the Josh Brown accident plus the recent X crash on its website where it advertises autopilot - give buyers fair warning that AP is extremely dangerous if misused or over-relied on. I know that won't go over with most Tesla fans (I consider myself one, but not to the point of blaming victims of AP), but safeguarding future lives is all that matters. Recall AP and don't release it again until it is equal to or better than a human. And that means it won't drive the car under a tractor trailer or into a concrete barrier that any human would avoid.When a human causes a fatal accident, their permit to drive is usuall revoked for a time period and in extreme cases they must re-apply for the license to regain permit. Same should apply to autopilot, otherwise we might have the same lunatic pilot driving in parallel in multiple cars simultaneously globally worldwide.
Stop and fix is the only way to evolve technology responsibly. Tesla should do a voluntary autopilot "recall" after so many incidents.
Agree completely. Tesla over-sold auto-pilot. Should never have been called that - people naturally think it means they don't have to drive the car. I hope Tesla gets slapped with heavy monetary penalties over recent crashes to save future lives. Tesla should post pictures of the Josh Brown accident plus the recent X crash on its website where it advertises autopilot - give buyers fair warning that AP is extremely dangerous if misused or over-relied on. I know that won't go over with most Tesla fans (I consider myself one, but not to the point of blaming victims of AP), but safeguarding future lives is all that matters. Recall AP and don't release it again until it is equal to or better than a human. And that means it won't drive the car under a tractor trailer or into a concrete barrier that any human would avoid.
Agree completely. Tesla over-sold auto-pilot. Should never have been called that - people naturally think it means they don't have to drive the car. I hope Tesla gets slapped with heavy monetary penalties over recent crashes to save future lives. Tesla should post pictures of the Josh Brown accident plus the recent X crash on its website where it advertises autopilot - give buyers fair warning that AP is extremely dangerous if misused or over-relied on. I know that won't go over with most Tesla fans (I consider myself one, but not to the point of blaming victims of AP), but safeguarding future lives is all that matters. Recall AP and don't release it again until it is equal to or better than a human. And that means it won't drive the car under a tractor trailer or into a concrete barrier that any human would avoid.
Tesla autopilot and emergency braking both crap. Autopilot should be allowed to operate in shadow mode only until they actually work.
Trying to save lives here. Autopilot has killed like 10 people per 300k vehicles sold. If that was an airbag ratio, there would be a recall.
Except the current US stat includes teenagers, drunk drivers and elderly.... which greatly skew the numbers when you compare it to a group of drivers who are age 30-60 with a householdThe current U.S. stat for vehicle fatalities is 11 per billion miles, which, with average yearly vehicle miles of 13473, would be 11 per 74000 vehicles per year.
So on a 300k vehicles fleet there should be 44 fatalities. Per year.
If Tesla brought this down to 10 fatalities in 3 years, they've already won the battle. And I don't think it's as high as 10 even.
Except the current US stat includes teenagers, drunk drivers and elderly.... which greatly skew the numbers when you compare it to a group of drivers who are age 30-60 with a household
income of 300k. If you compared Model X deadly accidents to Volvo XC90 deadly accidents... Volvo wins. Do they have Autopilot? No, they have middle aged higher income drivers.
Volvo does have an Autopilot system. It's called Pilot assist 2. It's not considered as good as the Tesla AP system, and as a result it's less likely to lead to a driver being distracted.
Volvo has a really cool ambition of ZERO deaths in their cars. So their entire goal is more about safety than about autonomous vehicles. Currently their AEB system is regarded as the best in the business, and that's likely because they focused a lot of attention on it.
Those two things combined would lead me to believe that the Volvo is indeed safer. Will it remain so as Volvo improves their Pilot Assist 2? I hope so.
As to the drivers I think it has to be pointed out that Tesla drivers tend to be in the STEM fields, and predominately male. I don't think we're the great drivers that people make us out to be. In my experience of being a tech person, and knowing tech people leads me to believe we're not very good drivers. In some cases it's part of the attraction to a Tesla where they want technology to be their savior.
Should all other vehicles without perfect emergency braking also be recalled from the roads? Even a Volvo doesn't stop in all cases.
Should we also disable airbags on all cars until we know for sure they can't ever kill anybody?
Tesla autopilot and emergency braking both crap. Autopilot should be allowed to operate in shadow mode only until they actually work.
Trying to save lives here. Autopilot has killed like 10 people per 300k vehicles sold. If that was an airbag ratio, there would be a recall.
Volvo does have an Autopilot system. It's called Pilot assist 2. It's not considered as good as the Tesla AP system, and as a result it's less likely to lead to a driver being distracted.
Volvo has a really cool ambition of ZERO deaths in their cars. So their entire goal is more about safety than about autonomous vehicles. Currently their AEB system is regarded as the best in the business, and that's likely because they focused a lot of attention on it.
Those two things combined would lead me to believe that the Volvo is indeed safer. Will it remain so as Volvo improves their Pilot Assist 2? I hope so.
Volvo Pilot Assist 2 is a very recent feature and not very effective. I tested it for a weekend and without going into detail, it's way behind AP in capability. I found it so annoying playing "ping-pong" along the lane I ended up switching it off.
I didn't test Volvo AEB, but I can imagine it works well. Apparently it can actively steer away from an imminent collision, which may or may not be helpful at the critical moment.
For me as a driver, I'm happy with the safety level of both Tesla and Volvo. I agree with the other poster that driver demographics are the key to active safety in cars and Volvo has a great advantage in attracting the middle aged conservative set.
Wow... I feel like I've made a breakthrough. Someone else here(besides every insurance company, but hey what do they know) actually thinks demographics play the biggest role
in automotive safety. Whew, I need a drink.
They could perhaps change the name to make it more obvious that it’s not a self driving car. That’s as far as I agree with you.
As for humans being better, history tells us that they do sometimes drive into concrete barriers all by themselves. They also sometimes cross lanes and drive head on into other cars. They drift around in their lanes, they get distracted, they do all manner of stupid things. Nearly every day I have to react to some idiot to avoid a crash. AP used appropriately is very effective, but it does need human management. Recalling AP would probably cost more lives than it saves, but that’s hard to prove. What AP does do is provide a useful and effective driving aid for a sensible driver. It hasn’t tried to kill me yet and I certainly wouldn’t allow it to anyway, because I use it as instructed in the manual and realise that the name is just a marketing term. So yes change the name so that any fool can see that it’s not self-drive without having to read any instructions.
>people naturally think it means they don't have to drive the car
Disagree. The car displays detailed explanation of autopilot and it's risks when you turn on auto steering. It NEVER works until you use the control panel and specifically select to enable auto steering, read the instructions, and then you need to AGREE and proceed. Only after that, you can enable autopilot.