Anyone have a link to the announcement livestream? I don't see it on: Tesla - Events Presentations
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June 20th Speculation
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I imagine that's 9:30 Pacific. I will have to watch in the morning sadly. I hope it goes off without a hitch.
Jonathan Hewitt
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I'm tempted to stay up and watch it at 0030 eastern time but that would make for a bad day at work tomorrow
So I will only watch it when it's posted if I am unable to sleep I'll get up early in the morning and watch it before I go to work.
ha! lower cost - yeah right!
Taxi companies are businesses and must consider the full cost over the lifetime of owning a car. Obviously, the fuel is much cheaper with a Tesla. So is maintenance with a simple electric motor and braking mainly done by taking one's foot off the accelerator and sending energy back to the battery. Those key components should be quite long lasting. The same for the body which is composed of non-rusting aluminum rather than steel. Resale value should be quite high. Even if the battery is degraded, future replacements for the used car owner are likely to be more powerful yet cheaper.
Very often Taxi fare's are set by a commission. Fuels costs are a part of that but I highly doubt we'll see cheaper ride. Taxi companies will simply see increased margins leading to more EV buys.
However, even with battery swap, etc the costs for the Model S, a set of batteries and swap infrastructure probably isn't worth it in terms of savings VS gasoline.
Maybe in 5 years. But it's another piece of nice potential.
However, services like Uber are interesting propositions for this.
I do believe that if you're building an EV for just utility, like a cab, with swapping they can in fact be far cheaper overall today even.
The battery is a fixed cost and will lost as long or longer than an engine in the conditions a taxi exposes a vehicle to. The cost of the EV itself without luxury is really cheap overall and the maintenance requirements are much, much smaller.
A big cost to cab companies is garage time and maintenance. Gasoline too. They've made a move to hybrids but that only solves the fuel issue and only by a bit. An EV would solve a lot of issues if done as a utility car. Especially if they took advantage of charging at lower demand times, like after midnight here.
I don't think Tesla has plans to move into this type of market though. At least not anytime soon.
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I'm going to speculate that there's a big public event and Elon comes out in a cheesy jacket and they show how they can swap a couple batteries in a Model S in the same time it takes to fill a similar ICE with a tank of gas. It might have actual value but perhaps not. At the very least it garners pretty awesome media pub and brings more attention to the Tesla brand.
Apparently video editing and publishing IS harder than both rocket science and battery swapping. Perhaps Elon needs to start another company for this task.
That was pretty awesome. Especially for town car / taxi service. Not a bad idea for certain high traffic corridors, but I think most of the value for owners is the concept that you just bought an "upgradable" car. Like in 90 seconds!
Buy the 60 now if you are not sure and you can always move up to the 85 if you want.
or buy the 85 and later if you want a bigger pack, you don't have to worry about having bought the wrong model.
also puts into perspective about elon's earlier quotes about buying the battery that best suits your normal driving and not worrying about range b/c they have it figured out.
between the patents and the execution Tesla is way, way, way far in front of the competition. Just think about what tomorrow morning is going to be like for the head of EV at BMW or the Panamera franchise head at Porsche.
Buy the 60 now if you are not sure and you can always move up to the 85 if you want.
or buy the 85 and later if you want a bigger pack, you don't have to worry about having bought the wrong model.
also puts into perspective about elon's earlier quotes about buying the battery that best suits your normal driving and not worrying about range b/c they have it figured out.
between the patents and the execution Tesla is way, way, way far in front of the competition. Just think about what tomorrow morning is going to be like for the head of EV at BMW or the Panamera franchise head at Porsche.
So they didn't show the 3rd split, but about in line with what I think we all expected here.
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deonb
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It's happening...
http://www.teslamotors.com/batteryswap
The video is not up yet, but you can see the site layout. Sadly there is virtually zero information on it.
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It's up.
http://www.teslamotors.com/batteryswap
The video is not up yet, but you can see the site layout. Sadly there is virtually zero information on it.
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It's up.
does anyone know if there is a physical difference between the 60kw and 85kw batterypack (more cells inside the 85kw) I start to believe that Tesla may just limited it with software to have a more efficient Batterswap infrastructure and have the option to charge the user for an anytime optional upgrade.
Does Tesla tell the weights of the different Models somewhere?
Also that would allow to have 60kw batteries that last extremly long 8-10 years.
80% capacity of a 85kw pack is still good the be a fully functional 60kw pack.
Does Tesla tell the weights of the different Models somewhere?
Also that would allow to have 60kw batteries that last extremly long 8-10 years.
80% capacity of a 85kw pack is still good the be a fully functional 60kw pack.
I found out some details; if anyone was there with more info, please feel free to chirp in.
1. Swapping will be started in the CA corridor by the end of the year and then out to the East Coast after that
2. Charge will be based on 15 gallons of gas at the prevailing price and will be charged to your credit card (on file)
3. You will need to pick up your battery on the return trip OR have it shipped back to you (for a price) OR pay the difference in the battery life (cost yet to be determined)
1. Swapping will be started in the CA corridor by the end of the year and then out to the East Coast after that
2. Charge will be based on 15 gallons of gas at the prevailing price and will be charged to your credit card (on file)
3. You will need to pick up your battery on the return trip OR have it shipped back to you (for a price) OR pay the difference in the battery life (cost yet to be determined)
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