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3 & Volvo's ICE small CUV ( at $45K nicely equipped ) fill different niches....

Our niche is needing a new car to replace our crappy ILX for our 1 car family. I could car less about 0-60 times, just need something safe, comfortable, reliable, and preferably nice looking to get our baby and toddler around the city in, with a delivery date of no later than July 2018.

Compared to the Model 3, the Volvo appears to offer more bang (features) for the buck and could be available as early May if ordered today. Plus the CARE feature seems super enticing - hope Tesla offers a similar program in the future.
 
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Our niche is needing a new car to replace our crappy ILX for our 1 car family. I could car less about 0-60 times, just need something safe, comfortable, reliable, and preferably nice looking to get our baby and toddler around the city in, with a delivery date of no later than July 2018.

Compared to the Model 3, the Volvo appears to offer more bang (features) for the buck and could be available as early as early May if ordered today. Plus the CARE feature seems super enticing - hope Tesla offers a similar program in the future.

Model 3 is not the perfect car for everyone, that's for sure. I wouldn't completely write off a secondary market S. Yes you don't get a $7500 credit but it's already baked in the price.

If you don't care about autonomy, you can even get pre AP1 MS or AP1 for the same money that would go into the Volvo. 7 seating (two kids can fit in the trunk) is just awesome. I was imagining that before ending up with the X instead.
 
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Model 3 is not the perfect car for everyone, that's for sure. I wouldn't completely write off a secondary market S. Yes you don't get a $7500 credit but it's already baked in the price.

If you don't care about autonomy, you can even get pre AP1 MS or AP1 for the same money that would go into the Volvo. 7 seating (two kids can fit in the trunk) is just awesome. I was imagining that before ending up with the X instead.
Not a bad idea - I'd really love the extra seating and don't care about AP yet, but the S is just too large for our small garage and I'm sorta concerned about potential maintenance on a post-warranty Tesla. Also, after looking at Volvo's CARE and thinking about car ownership in general, it seems like waiting for Tesla to come out with a subscription service would be the best route for us to join the Tesla family. I'd love to subscribe to an S for a decent monthly payment that included insurance and maintenance, with the option to upgrade within 1-3 years after newer versions or other models hit the market.

I agree with Volvo and some others that owning a car today just seems to make less sense than it did before, and will certainly make less sense in the future.

We've financed and leased several cars, and have never kept a vehicle for longer than 5 years or come remotely close to even 80k miles. The only car we've ever owned outright - 2006 Civic - met its end via being totaled in an accident with a city bus.

That said, I still briefly search at least once a day for a quality used S that won't break our car budget, lol. Maybe someday that unicorn will emerge.
 
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People are taking deliveries of $49,000+ cars without a test drive?
I cheated and sat in one on the showroom floor, the backseat arrangement is something that's come up so wanted to check it all out. Also at one point I had a short drive of a Model S.

But other than that, yes I put down $1000 for a concept and I would have taken delivery without laying eyes on it. A bit weird until you realize what kind of leap moving to an EV is and I've already done that. There is so much else at play, and so much info available to us without sitting in it, that it does make sense that actually driving the vehicle is a relatively minor concern.

Plus the resale market is still solid enough that it's not risking the normal amounts you usually do rolling away of the lot. *shrug*
 
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Here is something bizarre about M3 reservation situation......
- User on Reddit reports he cancelled his reservation, got his $ back, but still has his reservation.
(I just called Tesla and they had my deposit waived when I cancelled last July • r/teslamotors)
- @Orthereaboot on Twitter notices that Tesla changed their financial reporting - now a difference between reservation and a deposit.

Does someone want to try cancelling their reservation, getting their money back, and then see if they still have a reservation?
 
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Not a bad idea - I'd really love the extra seating and don't care about AP yet, but the S is just too large for our small garage and I'm sorta concerned about potential maintenance on a post-warranty Tesla. Also, after looking at Volvo's CARE and thinking about car ownership in general, it seems like waiting for Tesla to come out with a subscription service would be the best route for us to join the Tesla family. I'd love to subscribe to an S for a decent monthly payment that included insurance and maintenance, with the option to upgrade within 1-3 years after newer versions or other models hit the market.

I agree with Volvo and some others that owning a car today just seems to make less sense than it did before, and will certainly make less sense in the future.

We've financed and leased several cars, and have never kept a vehicle for longer than 5 years or come remotely close to even 80k miles. The only car we've ever owned outright - 2006 Civic - met its end via being totaled in an accident with a city bus.

That said, I still briefly search at least once a day for a quality used S that won't break our car budget, lol. Maybe someday that unicorn will emerge.

If it's something you'd want to explore more, you can ask in the S section or talk to owners at a local Tesla meetup. I remember asking if there were major maintenance issues that cost them absurd amount of money at the local meetup. I was told nothing remarkable, just wear and tear stuff like brake pads.

For me, I have to cross the bridge when I get there but I've tend to hear more anecdotes about "FEAR of x,y,z" versus actual damages resulting from "x,y,z". I'm not personally experienced enough with research backed by statistically significant sample sizes to either say "you should be really worried about an out of warranty Tesla or say "it's not a big deal, look at the 200,000 mile Tesloop Tesla with minimal issues".

I have an X and had creaking issues (somewhat common) but that was just replacing some seals. I don't what else would go wrong that would be catastrophically expensive outside of warranty but I can't let worry about potential unknowns ruin my day to day enjoyment. I'll be forthcoming with my experiences with what happens when I am out of warranty for future owners.

I did review Volvo Care and its essentially a different look of structuring a lease. While you can change a car after 1 year, it's just resetting the actual 2 year lease. So you will be perpetually stuck with Volvo until you finish off a term or break the lease.
Insurance isn't free - you might get better rates shopping for that independently and you lose benefits like combined home/auto, or multi-vehicle discounts when you segregate policies.

The equivalent of death and taxes in the automotive world is always:

1 - Paying vehicle depreciation
2 - No equity in leases

Some would pay 1500, 2000, perhaps 2500 to change to a new Tesla every year but that is a substantial outlay with no end in sight. I for one will be glad to be done with X payments, end of next year. :)

Personally, I think a 7 seat older Model S retains its utility forever. Even if it doesnt have the newest gadgets, its going to always be a great town car.
 
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Model 3L is 4.6 sec. Swift!
3 & Volvo's ICE small CUV ( at $45K nicely equipped ) fill different niches....

Volvo has received good reviews although C&D did ping them for seats and engine noise & fuel economy is just OK. E version is supposedly coming in '19 or '20 but no pricing yet.

( Volvo XC40 Reviews | Volvo XC40 Price, Photos, and Specs | Car and Driver )

An XC40 is an SUV that is essentially a truck and in no way comparable to a Model 3. Why would you think otherwise at the time when you ordered? Model Y on the other hand...
 
Here is something bizarre about M3 reservation situation......
- User on Reddit reports he cancelled his reservation, got his $ back, but still has his reservation.
(I just called Tesla and they had my deposit waived when I cancelled last July • r/teslamotors)
- @Orthereaboot on Twitter notices that Tesla changed their financial reporting - now a difference between reservation and a deposit.

Does someone want to try cancelling their reservation, getting their money back, and then see if they still have a reservation?
Shorts are salivating at this.. and are digging deeper to get to this.. I can smell a Paulo Santos's article coming..
 
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No test drives on my last 4 cars. I tend to do a lot of research first (never this much!). This time I did get to drive You You’s Model 3 and play around with the UI for a while. I would however have bought it anyways.
 
Yup. I even turned down the opportunity to test drive someone else's because I figured I basically knew what it'd be like but didn't want to spoil it.

It was worth it ;)
After watching hours and hours of reviews on youtube. I felt like i knew the car better than the delivery specialist, besides the actual driving dynamics, which was as good as expected.

it is a $35k car after all, priced at $60k after all the bells and whistles.. unlike the $70k base Model S which is getting close to $80-90k with similar amount of bells and whistles.
 
Here is something bizarre about M3 reservation situation......
- User on Reddit reports he cancelled his reservation, got his $ back, but still has his reservation.
(I just called Tesla and they had my deposit waived when I cancelled last July • r/teslamotors)
- @Orthereaboot on Twitter notices that Tesla changed their financial reporting - now a difference between reservation and a deposit.

Does someone want to try cancelling their reservation, getting their money back, and then see if they still have a reservation?
I came, I canceled, I got my money back.
And per the My Tesla page, I no longer hold a reservation.
All is as it should be.
Robin
 
After watching hours and hours of reviews on youtube. I felt like i knew the car better than the delivery specialist, besides the actual driving dynamics, which was as good as expected.

it is a $35k car after all, priced at $60k after all the bells and whistles.. unlike the $70k base Model S which is getting close to $80-90k with similar amount of bells and whistles.
Agree - the fact that the $49k version's interior felt like a $35k car (or less) to me was a big factor in me canceling. I'm dreading seeing how stripped down the actual $35k version will end up being, if they ever build it.

A 2015+ Model S is a great car at any price point/trim.
 
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Honestly, people are losing sight about what you are actually paying for when it comes to a Model 3.

It's not the spartan interior. It's

310 Miles of Range (Look at iPace price for less range)
Sub 5 second 0-60 Motor
AP2.5 Hardware Suite. All those NVIDIA PX2 Drive Units, Cameras, Sensor System
Giant iPad
Ever improving vehicle with OTA updates
Safest vehicle in its class (Is family replaceable?)