artsci
Sponsor
We're developing a version of our front lighted T for the facelift Model S, both the Karstyle and Tesla versions.
Ok Guys,bad news.
just back from the Tesla service here in Tempe and I had a long discussion ( he show me too....) with the mechanic. There is no way the new bumper will fit the old ms. The new one has (belive it or not) PLASTIC support to attach it to the front, the old one has iron support and most of all more rounded...( this also explains why most of the aftermarket one are not flat as the original one) so the new front flat shape , unless you do some crazy and expensive adjustments , cannot be attach on the old front frame. At this point I' ll wait some brave kamicaze attempt the mission. Good luck.
just back from the Tesla service here in Tempe and I had a long discussion ( he show me too....) with the mechanic. There is no way the new bumper will fit the old ms. The new one has (belive it or not) PLASTIC support to attach it to the front, the old one has iron support and most of all more rounded...( this also explains why most of the aftermarket one are not flat as the original one) so the new front flat shape , unless you do some crazy and expensive adjustments , cannot be attach on the old front frame. At this point I' ll wait some brave kamicaze attempt the mission. Good luck.
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Canuck
Well-Known Member
Why not just wait for the Karstyle one? I'm thinking of getting one once I hear from people that all went well, I find out how we get access behind the current nose cone, that the parking sensors work properly, etc.
artsci
Sponsor
Another thread suggests that Karstyle is having major financial problems. Appears they bit off more than they could chew. Are we at risk of losing our deposits and never seeing the product? Just wondering.
Canuck
Well-Known Member
Maybe they did not bite off more than they could chew but it was a scam from the outset? They pressed me for a deposit when I sent them questions about the product and it raised red flags to me. I also see they are still taking deposits while telling someone to file a charge back with their bank and they go on to say:
But they also say:
What vendor would "award" credit to a company that is "heavily in debt"? I guess if the vendor wants to get what they are already owed then this might be possible. But they don't give the name of the vendor so the vendor can be asked if this is true. The vendor won't want to lose deposits so they should disclose the name of who is "awarding" them credit. But I highly doubt they will give you a name so you can verify.
And do we really believe the "as soon as possible in the New Year"? Does it keep getting pushed back to keep getting deposits?
I agree with what Kort677 said in the other thread about filing criminal charges. At least force them to open their books to the authorities to show everything was above board and the money was going to developing the product and not into someone's pocket.
artsci
Sponsor
I think criminal charges are a stretch. I've communicated with them directly and have always received straightforward replies. I think they way underestimated the costs of making this happen and that got them into trouble.There may be some naïveté at work here as well, as the chargeback comments suggest.
As someone else suggested this looks pale in comparison to ESE's carbon fiber wheels. There you're talking about at least an $8.000 commitment. I used my credit card to make a 25 percent deposit and they charged my the full $8K, which I was able to recover via chargeback 6 months or so later when it became clear they were not going to manufacture wheels anytime soon.[/QUOTE]
As someone else suggested this looks pale in comparison to ESE's carbon fiber wheels. There you're talking about at least an $8.000 commitment. I used my credit card to make a 25 percent deposit and they charged my the full $8K, which I was able to recover via chargeback 6 months or so later when it became clear they were not going to manufacture wheels anytime soon.[/QUOTE]
Canuck
Well-Known Member
That's good to know. I only raised questions given the concerns.
If they always give straightforward replies, I would ask the name of the vendor that is keeping them afloat and then contact the vendor to confirm.
artsci
Sponsor
As a Karstyle backer on the original nose cone..I am still waiting on my refund. My payment slipped through the cracks they said though they found it, i was given the same response as they are tapped out while new tooling is going on. He used to respond to my emails, but no word in a while....
Canuck
Well-Known Member
@artsci posted here that his was suppose to ship this month:
Tesla says it can't be done: But it can: new higher resolution rear camera
Fusion
Member
Get your refunds from your credit card company first and ask questions later. I've been burned before where they keep delaying you until they are no longer to be found.
scole04
Member
Just to got this response from Karstyle.
There’s a big announcement coming from Karstyle at the week of 20 February, both by email, and we will also be updating our website. This will include shipping dates! The Karstyle bumper product is being taken over by a company with substantial means and infrastructure. They are taking over funding, final development, shipping, and logistics, but I will still be a partner and heavily involved with designing, promoting, and marketing the company’s products. It’s great news because the product cost three times more than we expected to develop, and I ran very short of money. The company I we are partnering with own about 50 Tesla’s including every model you can think of from the very first Model S S85 Classic to the latest P100D and MX, so they are into the Tesla thing in a big way. This means so everything should go great from hereon))) …and we can make more products without having delays.
There’s a big announcement coming from Karstyle at the week of 20 February, both by email, and we will also be updating our website. This will include shipping dates! The Karstyle bumper product is being taken over by a company with substantial means and infrastructure. They are taking over funding, final development, shipping, and logistics, but I will still be a partner and heavily involved with designing, promoting, and marketing the company’s products. It’s great news because the product cost three times more than we expected to develop, and I ran very short of money. The company I we are partnering with own about 50 Tesla’s including every model you can think of from the very first Model S S85 Classic to the latest P100D and MX, so they are into the Tesla thing in a big way. This means so everything should go great from hereon))) …and we can make more products without having delays.
artsci
Sponsor
Can't provide details as yet but look for a major announcement on the Karstyle web site over the next two weeks.
artsci
Sponsor
Fantastic and thanks. As I have all of the parts on order, I'm very eager to know what was required to fit it. Any info you can provide will be very helpful.
yearofthedragon
Member
I tried to fit a facelift bumper on my older MS and the assembly tabs/holes at the top of the facelift bumper did not line up to the assembly hole area my pre-facelift MS.
All the areas around the headlamps lined up and snapped in. Yay.
The lower grille opening of the facelift is about double the size of my pre facelift autopilot grille. Boo.
The fog light opening on the pre-facelift was different dimension than the facelift. Boo.
Good thing my buddy at Tesla let me return the parts.
All the areas around the headlamps lined up and snapped in. Yay.
The lower grille opening of the facelift is about double the size of my pre facelift autopilot grille. Boo.
The fog light opening on the pre-facelift was different dimension than the facelift. Boo.
Good thing my buddy at Tesla let me return the parts.
I tried to fit a facelift bumper on my older MS and the assembly tabs/holes at the top of the facelift bumper did not line up to the assembly hole area my pre-facelift MS.
All the areas around the headlamps lined up and snapped in. Yay.
The lower grille opening of the facelift is about double the size of my pre facelift autopilot grille. Boo.
The fog light opening on the pre-facelift was different dimension than the facelift. Boo.
Good thing my buddy at Tesla let me return the parts.
My friend is having no issues thus far just waiting on more parts
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