Thank you. You expressed my point perfectly. The car has stoplight recognition, greenlight chimes and autosteer on main roads. All I wanted to know was if others who are taking this main LA road are having the same experience. I should also note that unless the freeway is fairly straight, I strongly distrust Autopilot. It veers way too far left in the lane, often coming inches from neighboring cars - even though there's plenty of room on the right side of the lane, it ignores that. I absolutely hate being in the far left lane when there's a barrier in the median. The car comes dangerously close to it, and on numerous occasions I've had to make a split second decision to pull away because the car was accelerating toward the barrier. I have an HOA sticker, but being in the HOA lane on Autopilot is a fun way to feel close to suicide. The freeway driving is not in beta - it should understand that hugging one side of the lane is not ideal, particularly when there are objects right next to the lane it's hugging.
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LA drivers - Autopilot on Laurel Canyon
- Thread starter Beachybumm
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Thank you. You expressed my point perfectly. The car has stoplight recognition, greenlight chimes and autosteer on main roads. All I wanted to know was if others who are taking this main LA road are having the same experience. I should also note that unless the freeway is fairly straight, I strongly distrust Autopilot. It veers way too far left in the lane, often coming inches from neighboring cars - even though there's plenty of room on the right side of the lane, it ignores that. I absolutely hate being in the far left lane when there's a barrier in the median. The car comes dangerously close to it, and on numerous occasions I've had to make a split second decision to pull away because the car was accelerating toward the barrier. I have an HOA sticker, but being in the HOA lane on Autopilot is a fun way to feel close to suicide. The freeway driving is not in beta - it should understand that hugging one side of the lane is not ideal, particularly when there are objects right next to the lane it's hugging.
OP, funny you should mention this area, I used to live in L.A., and am very familiar with Laurel Canyon Blvd. I lived on it just a bit north of Burbank Blvd. 5716 Apt 5. Back in 13-14. I've taken Laurel Canyon south, over the hill, and down into the Hollywood / West Hollywood area, and I think yes, those turns going over the hill are way too tight for Base AP.
There's one off ramp here that I go on often, and it is a very tight 180 degree turn. Base AP gets about 1/3 of the way through it and freaks out. And that is at 25 mph or less.
I've been on Coldwater going over the hill, and it is also too curvy for AP, at least our current version of AP.
Gonna have to steer the car yourself, like people have done for 100+ years. I know, it's a pain.....
How does your AP handle Mulholland going west from Laurel Canyon or Coldwater? It has some tricky intersections.
Just like Tesla Time, don't forget to apply the Tesla factor to the idea of "Feature Complete". In Tesla talk, that means that the car can do each of the things the full AP will do, but in a very shaky, incomplete, and unreliable fashion, with a very low chance of success, and certainly nowhere near good enough to be let loose on the roadways.
You mentioned you lived in LA, but not anymore. Does that mean you haven't used the most recent update? You are correct. Coldwater has the same issues. I haven't tried Mulholland yet.
But honestly, for as well marked as the LA freeways are, my car regularly goes over the line or gets too close to neighboring objects on the freeway. It's never totally clear if that car is planning on following a curve or smashing into the barrier in the middle of the road. I know we're supposed to pay attention with our hands on the wheel - and I do - but when you're going 75mph and the car isn't turning last minute, there's a pretty high chance of an accident.
I actually did open a ticket about a month ago and was told some of my censors weren't working. The tech fixed it, but I haven't seen any difference in AP capability. I'm wondering if re calibrating will do something.
It has troubles on freeways, as well. It hugs the left side of the lane, regularly coming inches from neighboring vehicles. If there is even the slightest curve in the freeway and there's a neighboring car, I have to take control or it is way too close. Forget using the HOV lane, the car gets super close to the barrier and leaves me having to make split second decisions when it fails to follow a slight curve and instead decides ramming into a barrier would be a better idea.
So to answer your question, even on an approved road, the car still feels dangerous to me. The problem is - and the point of my post - I have nobody to compare to. Thus, why I was asking about Laurel Canyon.
Uncle Paul
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OP has unrealistic expectations considering the guidance Tesla has provided on when and where Autopilot should be used. Perhaps he is better off driving the car manually instead of pushing the envelope until disaster strikes.
Michelle_eriw
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He didn't say that, but he did say he has an alpha version of it on his model S, and it's 99% on his commute.
Michelle_eriw
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I used to work in software development, in quality assurance. "Feature complete" means all the features have been coded, but not necessarily bug free. Essentially, it means it's out of alpha phase, and into beta. It does not mean that all the known bugs have been squashed.
Michelle_eriw
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That does not mean "no intervention". And he wasn't talking about now; he was talking about after the rewrite is released.
Knightshade
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Weird because previously your only mention of use on a freeway was that it handled curves just fine even at higher speeds...pointing out you didn't understand why it has trouble doing a non-supported road at 20 compared to having no curve issues at 80 on supported roads... (almost like the type of road, not the speed, was the problem or something....)
But by all means if you think the car is not operating properly or safely on a supported road, open a service ticket with Tesla and let them examine the cars logs and behavior.
You recently mentioned you DID open one previously and they allegedly did some work but it didn't actually change anything, which makes me wonder why you didn't go back to them since the issue you reported, that was apparently serious enough for them to do work, wasn't resolved?
lUtriaNt
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OP,
post up the area/cross streets you are specifically referring to and ill drive there and see what happens to me. or if you want to run your smartphone video camera and video document it, ill do the same.
post up the area/cross streets you are specifically referring to and ill drive there and see what happens to me. or if you want to run your smartphone video camera and video document it, ill do the same.
NerdUno
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Electrph
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As if me saying the OP has the definition of "feature complete" wrong (which was 100% correct, he has the definition of that term wrong) is "drinking the Koolaid". While there are tesla fanboys / fangirls, there are not as many as people like to throw around. Stating factual information (which is what has been done in this thread by people) is not "drinking the koolaid".
Facts:
1. "Feature complete does not mean "completely 100% working"/
2. Autopilot is not currently stated to handle the type of road the OP is asking about, and there is no promise anywhere that it will do so "in the next three months"
Unknowns:
1. Whether OPs autopilot experience on that road is similar to others on that exact same road
2. Whether there is an issue with OPs car, since OP also mentions that autopilot on freeways is not performing properly... although people tend to be uncomfortable with autopilot as they dont realize THEY dont drive in the center of a road, so autopilot drives closer to the drivers side lines than they are used to.
none of that is "drinking the Koolaid". That would be "Elon can do no wrong, there is nothing wrong with autopilot, etc". Saying "it was not designed to work there, and no, its not promised to be completely working anytime soon" doesnt come anywhere near fanboyism / fangirlism.
There are NO 90 degree turns on a HIGHWAY.
HIGHWAY curves are INTENTIONALLY smoother than twists and turns on the regular road BECAUSE the speeds are higher.
I've driven through Laurel Canyon many, many times. I've seen HUMANS miss some of those corners.
interesting. only one person offering to get in their tesla and drive on the road(s) the original posting was curious about?
Yeah... start this video at approximately 2:50. This looks like a road autopilot is ready for:
looks like a well traveled, well marked road any normal tesla should be able to`navigate on its own. maybe not today but in the next few weeks
good video was well edited with pretty good music. enjoyed the notes.
good video was well edited with pretty good music. enjoyed the notes.
This is a perfect example of how two different people can look at the same thing and come away with wildly different opinions. Starting from about 2:50 (the actual assent up the canyon road), I see a road that has too many sharp turns for autopilot now, or anywhere in the near (read several months ) future at the very least. Cars too close on the side of the road, too many sharp turns, etc.
I didnt make the video, I just tound it online. I havent driven that road in quite some time as I dont go out to LA that much anymore, but I have driven it before in the past.
I didn't go back to them because Tesla customer service is atrocious. Can't get anyone on the phone at any of the LA service centers. Just rings when you call.
I scheduled on the app twice and they canceled on me less than 24 hrs beforehand because they "don't have the part." Made no sense since they had diagnosed anything yet.
check out some of the latest youtube postings from 'black tesla' driving their model s in west coast traffic. some excellent comments there. and also search out some of the very latest from youtubers in the uk. one has to be very impressed with how well the cars negotiate the narrow streets crowded with cars parked tight to the traveled road. lots of work being done on roundabouts too.
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