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Launch is Imminent
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TarmacSurfer
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Yep. The shift from prototype to production capability involves developing long and complex supply chain relationships with materials suppliers and manufacturers. That’s a very different problem than the engineering problems that get you through development of Proof of Concept. Building the management and contractual expertise to make that transition is where / why so many other EV companies (like Rivian, Lucid, Polesrar, etc.) struggle with making the jump or simply fail altogether. They sputter since as the saying goes, “you’re only as good as your worst (or most unreliable) Sub”.
Proof of concept is a difficult engineering problem. Scaling PoC to production is a management / contractual problem. Very different worlds.
Thank God they dumped the yoke. The square wheel is not as good as a round wheel but its miles better than the yoke!
voyager
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Anyone read this?
A recently leaked document, shared by Germany’s Handelsblatt newspaper and reported here by Wired, sheds some light on why it’s been almost four years since the truck’s reveal and pulls back the curtain on the complex engineering process behind its development. The company struggled to solve issues with body sealing and leaks, noise, handling and braking, and suspension. While those are common issues with any new model, industry insiders expressed surprise at how much effort and time it took to solve them.
A recently leaked document, shared by Germany’s Handelsblatt newspaper and reported here by Wired, sheds some light on why it’s been almost four years since the truck’s reveal and pulls back the curtain on the complex engineering process behind its development. The company struggled to solve issues with body sealing and leaks, noise, handling and braking, and suspension. While those are common issues with any new model, industry insiders expressed surprise at how much effort and time it took to solve them.
Leaked document shows significant early issues with Tesla Cybertruck
"Some of the problems stemmed from the truck’s design, which presented unique challenges with body sealing and noise. Getting a good seal with traditional automotive shapes is hard enough, and the sharp, geometric Cybertruck made the process even more challenging"
shocker. different is not always better.
given how much wind noise even a more conventional Model 3 experiences... I wouldn't want to own a 1st Gen Cybertruck unless I really enjoy being told "within spec" and shown the door at Service Centers...
The first off, hand built prototype wasn't perfect? The horror!
Tesla found things to improve? GASP!
48V low-voltage architecture is a completely separate design choice from higher power charging.
The newest non-semi pedestals are 1000V 615Amp max, so still under 1 MW, but the NACS connector standard calls it out as handling >900 amps with a non-cooled vehicle port.
TjckTock
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I think Tesla knows it has to be a truck first. This is the market - they already dominate the EV car market. If they do not step up with something really impressive in these basic truck expectations I agree, it will fail except for the Tesla-fan "lifestyle" purchasers you mention. However, there are far more lifestyle purchasers who won't even consider the CT because it doesn't project the image they want to project so this poser-population won't save CT - overall it is working against it. The big problem is trust is slow to gain and quick to lose. Tesla has none when it comes to trucks and that is IMO the biggest issue they have to overcome. They can't just meet established truck specs to succeed, they have to blow them away.
Buckminster
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if Tesla is just ~6 weeks away from production... why haven't they released pricing & specs ? seems odd.
TarmacSurfer
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Because they’re not that close. They want to believe they are, but they know stuff tends to go wrong.
I give them credit for keeping their mouths shut until it’s actually ready. Way, way, way too much over-promising on the part of them and especially their CEO in the past. They’ve got a reputation for it and they’re thankfully trying to regain some credibility.
I give them credit for keeping their mouths shut until it’s actually ready. Way, way, way too much over-promising on the part of them and especially their CEO in the past. They’ve got a reputation for it and they’re thankfully trying to regain some credibility.
yeah. once they release specs & prices it'll be another 2-3 months before the first ones are delivered in somewhat of a volume. not the 5-10 vehicles they deliver at a launch event. My best guess is not before ~October and large volumes with production running smoothly probably not before Q2 '24+
They probably won’t release pricing and specs until the delivery event. That’s how the Model 3 went if I remember correctly. They can deliver the first vehicles to employees that probably know the details but have signed an NDA.
You mean poser truck market, right?
With the starting price steadily creeping north of $60K (for 1 motor small battery, up from $39.9K), this will be priced far on the fringes of the working truck price range. Dual motor is heading to right under $80K limit, lets call it $75-79K (up from $49.9K).
Tri motor with 500+ miles of range is going way north of $80K, call it $85-99K (up from $69.9K).
At $69.9K I can over-look the ugliness and focus on the range, the power, and the value proposition.
At $99+K for the same, this will become a MUCH harder challenge, especially since dual/quad motor Rivian will become a bargain!
Yep, and those are the 90+% of the "Truck" and "SUV" market.
Poser population IS the truck/SUV market.
How many truck/SUV owners you know actually haul loads / drive off-road for a living ?
Exactly!
All they need to do is fill a hole in the product lineup.
Thus the logic behind Model Y after 3 - it's an inferior value proposition that fills "SUV/crossover" market segment, and thus brings in new customers and revenue.
Same goes for the pickup truck segment - first place I expect to see the CyberTruck is at parked at upscale malls during the day, and dropping off/picking up kids from schools before/after the shopping is done.
YMMV,
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i dont see this brutalist and very polarizing design being a huge appeal to suburban soccer mom market... just saying. unpainted stainless steel doesn't help much either.
jabloomf1230
Minister of Silly Walks
The CT is Tesla's iPad. The initial reaction to the iPad was negative. "Who is going to buy this?" " It's not a smartphone." " It's too small to be used as a TV." "What would I do with this? I already have an iPhone and a PC." " There's no market for the iPad."
13 years later, over a billion people worldwide own a tablet and over 150 million are delivered each year.
It’s more like a Galaxy Tablet. The IPad is already out.
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