spatterso911
P100DL - Raven
Looks like FL is the ideal EV state in terms of EV energy usage. Flat and temperate. Just wait til hurricane season hits to see if this changes! :scared:
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Great data, but you might want to parse it by 85 kWh and 60 kWh cars if possible. The 60s get better energy mileage because of the lighter weight (unconfirmed?). Of course, the 19" vs the 21" will give varying energy mileage as well. Here's our data:
85 kWh with 21" wheels: 4938 miles, 387 Wh/mile
60 kWh with 19" wheels: 1054 miles, 336 Wh/mile (and dropping. It's 322 for the last 700 miles)
Mild California climate, but live on a steep hill so lots of up and down.
I am at 356 Wh/mile over 3144 miles. I was at 354 until I did a round trip to work this past Saturday at 90, and it was below freezing, with about 300lbs. of Coca-Cola in my car.
I also get MUCH better energy usage when I never look at the energy display. I think it might be that I follow a little closer as I am paying more attention to traffic. But I can't really tell.
UPDATED: I have an 85kWh pack, and 19" wheels.
I also get MUCH better energy usage when I never look at the energy display. I think it might be that I follow a little closer as I am paying more attention to traffic. But I can't really tell.
UPDATED: I have an 85kWh pack, and 19" wheels.
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Banahogg, StephRob, good idea breaking out averages by battery and wheel size.
I can't easily tell what these are for most of the people on this thread but for those that I can, the averages are below.
The number of data points is small, so I don't have much confidence in the averages at this point. I'll add more wheel and battery size points
if people post them.
All data:
avg median stdev distance_weighted_avg
372 371 42 365
Battery:
Battery Wh N Miles
1 60 323 3 3259
2 85 363 11 28713
Wheels:
Wheel Wh N Miles
1 19 344 7 15342
2 21 378 4 7496
State (with apologies to mnx for including Ontario as a state):
State Wh N Miles
1 CA 355 14 44231
2 CO 352 2 3500
3 FL 303 1 5139
4 GA 322 2 5044
5 IL 450 1 0
6 MD 375 1 10000
7 MN 420 2 7100
8 MO 372 2 6600
9 NJ 424 1 3600
10 NY 366 1 3000
11 ON 393 1 883
12 OR 418 3 5251
13 TX 326 1 3000
14 WA 410 2 2325
data
Wh Miles State Battery Wheels N
GeekGirls 318 3000 CA 85 NA 1
MitchL 383 3300 CA NA NA 1
efusco 340 4700 MO 85 19 1
mcornwell 370 NA CA 85 21 1
FlasherZ 403 1900 MO NA NA 1
Zythryn 375 5500 MN NA NA 1
raptorweb 465 1600 MN NA NA 1
stevezzz 338 3500 CO 85 19 1
ckessel 426 3000 OR NA NA 1
kvietor 303 5139 FL NA NA 1
Jason S 351 4334 CA 85 NA 1
rcc 375 1800 CA 85 NA 1
brianman 426 NA <NA> NA NA 1
Sparrow 288 1900 GA NA NA 1
Andrew Wolfe 343 2700 CA NA NA 1
drbradfo 430 686 OR NA NA 1
gg_got_a_tesla 325 1000 CA 60 19 1
Chgd Up 353 8400 <NA> NA NA 1
jhs_7645 399 558 WA 85 21 1
ddenboer 359 8500 CA NA NA 1
dlmorgan999 397 1565 OR NA NA 1
NJS1207 424 3600 NJ NA NA 1
pilotSteve 422 1767 WA NA NA 1
tezco 366 NA CO NA NA 1
eelton 450 NA IL NA NA 1
spatterso911 354 2000 CA 85 21 1
Ben W 372 4800 CA NA NA 1
bob_p 326 3000 TX NA NA 1
aaron.s 366 3000 NY 85 19 1
Zextraterrestrial 391 5600 CA NA NA 1
mnx 393 883 ON 85 19 1
Banahogg 307 1205 CA 60 19 1
digitaltim 375 10000 MD NA NA 1
StephRob1 387 4938 CA 85 21 1
StephRob2 336 1054 CA 60 19 1
ElSupreme 356 3144 GA NA NA 1
I can't easily tell what these are for most of the people on this thread but for those that I can, the averages are below.
The number of data points is small, so I don't have much confidence in the averages at this point. I'll add more wheel and battery size points
if people post them.
All data:
avg median stdev distance_weighted_avg
372 371 42 365
Battery:
Battery Wh N Miles
1 60 323 3 3259
2 85 363 11 28713
Wheels:
Wheel Wh N Miles
1 19 344 7 15342
2 21 378 4 7496
State (with apologies to mnx for including Ontario as a state):
State Wh N Miles
1 CA 355 14 44231
2 CO 352 2 3500
3 FL 303 1 5139
4 GA 322 2 5044
5 IL 450 1 0
6 MD 375 1 10000
7 MN 420 2 7100
8 MO 372 2 6600
9 NJ 424 1 3600
10 NY 366 1 3000
11 ON 393 1 883
12 OR 418 3 5251
13 TX 326 1 3000
14 WA 410 2 2325
data
Wh Miles State Battery Wheels N
GeekGirls 318 3000 CA 85 NA 1
MitchL 383 3300 CA NA NA 1
efusco 340 4700 MO 85 19 1
mcornwell 370 NA CA 85 21 1
FlasherZ 403 1900 MO NA NA 1
Zythryn 375 5500 MN NA NA 1
raptorweb 465 1600 MN NA NA 1
stevezzz 338 3500 CO 85 19 1
ckessel 426 3000 OR NA NA 1
kvietor 303 5139 FL NA NA 1
Jason S 351 4334 CA 85 NA 1
rcc 375 1800 CA 85 NA 1
brianman 426 NA <NA> NA NA 1
Sparrow 288 1900 GA NA NA 1
Andrew Wolfe 343 2700 CA NA NA 1
drbradfo 430 686 OR NA NA 1
gg_got_a_tesla 325 1000 CA 60 19 1
Chgd Up 353 8400 <NA> NA NA 1
jhs_7645 399 558 WA 85 21 1
ddenboer 359 8500 CA NA NA 1
dlmorgan999 397 1565 OR NA NA 1
NJS1207 424 3600 NJ NA NA 1
pilotSteve 422 1767 WA NA NA 1
tezco 366 NA CO NA NA 1
eelton 450 NA IL NA NA 1
spatterso911 354 2000 CA 85 21 1
Ben W 372 4800 CA NA NA 1
bob_p 326 3000 TX NA NA 1
aaron.s 366 3000 NY 85 19 1
Zextraterrestrial 391 5600 CA NA NA 1
mnx 393 883 ON 85 19 1
Banahogg 307 1205 CA 60 19 1
digitaltim 375 10000 MD NA NA 1
StephRob1 387 4938 CA 85 21 1
StephRob2 336 1054 CA 60 19 1
ElSupreme 356 3144 GA NA NA 1
I'll take a stab at it...
Configure for success. Set regen to standard. Turn creep off. Rely on seat heat instead of climate control when practical.
Master one-pedal driving. Braking should be reserved for coming to a complete stop from 5mph, and for emergency situations. You should be able to do the vast majority of your driving with the engine. In practice, this is a lot easier if you leave a wider margin between you and the cars ahead then you're used to, which means you can look further ahead still and anticipate what's coming.
Minimize "zero crossings." You should switch from consuming energy to regenerating energy as infrequently as possible. You should be consuming energy constantly on flat stretches and going up hills — having to regen in either situation means you've accelerated more than you needed to. Going downhill you should be regenerating the whole way, letting gravity do the work.
Drive the speed limit. I know this one isn't popular, but lower speeds really do make a difference. If you must be a rebel, then drift slowly through stop signs instead of coming to a complete stop. Or speed up hills and do the speed limit on the way down. Never creep up a hill, let the person in front of you build up some buffer space and do the climb in bursts without letting regen engage.
Another Minnesotan chiming in here...
367 watt hours per mile average over 1015 miles. I have the 60kWh battery.
I've noticed if you take short enough trips, you still end up with that regenerative brake limit line, out here in colder country.
re: slush as rolling resistance, not today, yikes! Pickup-truck pirouettes on the road today.
367 watt hours per mile average over 1015 miles. I have the 60kWh battery.
I've noticed if you take short enough trips, you still end up with that regenerative brake limit line, out here in colder country.
re: slush as rolling resistance, not today, yikes! Pickup-truck pirouettes on the road today.
With this extremely small data set, it looks like smaller wheels reduces energy per mile by about 20wh and
the smaller battery reduces energy by about 25 wh.
It would be great to have more data to get better stats, so if you already posted your averages but not your battery or wheel size, please post again! (Check table below to see if I have your battery size, 5th column, or wheel size, 6th column). Also if you haven't posted at all, please do so as well.
Battery Wheels Wh N Miles
1 60 19 334 4 4274
2 85 19 359 4 12083
3 85 21 378 4 7496
Wh Miles State Battery Wheels N
GeekGirls 318 3000 CA 85 NA 1
MitchL 383 3300 CA NA NA 1
efusco 340 4700 MO 85 19 1
mcornwell 370 NA CA 85 21 1
FlasherZ 403 1900 MO NA NA 1
Zythryn 375 5500 MN NA NA 1
raptorweb 465 1600 MN NA NA 1
stevezzz 338 3500 CO 85 19 1
ckessel 426 3000 OR NA NA 1
kvietor 303 5139 FL NA NA 1
Jason S 351 4334 CA 85 NA 1
rcc 375 1800 CA 85 NA 1
brianman 426 NA <NA> NA NA 1
Sparrow 288 1900 GA NA NA 1
Andrew Wolfe 343 2700 CA NA NA 1
drbradfo 430 686 OR NA NA 1
gg_got_a_tesla 325 1000 CA 60 19 1
Chgd Up 353 8400 <NA> NA NA 1
jhs_7645 399 558 WA 85 21 1
ddenboer 359 8500 CA NA NA 1
dlmorgan999 397 1565 OR NA NA 1
NJS1207 424 3600 NJ NA NA 1
pilotSteve 422 1767 WA NA NA 1
tezco 366 NA CO NA NA 1
eelton 450 NA IL NA NA 1
spatterso911 354 2000 CA 85 21 1
Ben W 372 4800 CA NA NA 1
bob_p 326 3000 TX NA NA 1
aaron.s 366 3000 NY 85 19 1
Zextraterrestrial 391 5600 CA NA NA 1
mnx 393 883 ON 85 19 1
Banahogg 307 1205 CA 60 19 1
digitaltim 375 10000 MD NA NA 1
StephRob1 387 4938 CA 85 21 1
StephRob2 336 1054 CA 60 19 1
ElSupreme 356 3144 GA NA NA 1
Vexar 367 1015 MN 60 19 1
the smaller battery reduces energy by about 25 wh.
It would be great to have more data to get better stats, so if you already posted your averages but not your battery or wheel size, please post again! (Check table below to see if I have your battery size, 5th column, or wheel size, 6th column). Also if you haven't posted at all, please do so as well.
Battery Wheels Wh N Miles
1 60 19 334 4 4274
2 85 19 359 4 12083
3 85 21 378 4 7496
Wh Miles State Battery Wheels N
GeekGirls 318 3000 CA 85 NA 1
MitchL 383 3300 CA NA NA 1
efusco 340 4700 MO 85 19 1
mcornwell 370 NA CA 85 21 1
FlasherZ 403 1900 MO NA NA 1
Zythryn 375 5500 MN NA NA 1
raptorweb 465 1600 MN NA NA 1
stevezzz 338 3500 CO 85 19 1
ckessel 426 3000 OR NA NA 1
kvietor 303 5139 FL NA NA 1
Jason S 351 4334 CA 85 NA 1
rcc 375 1800 CA 85 NA 1
brianman 426 NA <NA> NA NA 1
Sparrow 288 1900 GA NA NA 1
Andrew Wolfe 343 2700 CA NA NA 1
drbradfo 430 686 OR NA NA 1
gg_got_a_tesla 325 1000 CA 60 19 1
Chgd Up 353 8400 <NA> NA NA 1
jhs_7645 399 558 WA 85 21 1
ddenboer 359 8500 CA NA NA 1
dlmorgan999 397 1565 OR NA NA 1
NJS1207 424 3600 NJ NA NA 1
pilotSteve 422 1767 WA NA NA 1
tezco 366 NA CO NA NA 1
eelton 450 NA IL NA NA 1
spatterso911 354 2000 CA 85 21 1
Ben W 372 4800 CA NA NA 1
bob_p 326 3000 TX NA NA 1
aaron.s 366 3000 NY 85 19 1
Zextraterrestrial 391 5600 CA NA NA 1
mnx 393 883 ON 85 19 1
Banahogg 307 1205 CA 60 19 1
digitaltim 375 10000 MD NA NA 1
StephRob1 387 4938 CA 85 21 1
StephRob2 336 1054 CA 60 19 1
ElSupreme 356 3144 GA NA NA 1
Vexar 367 1015 MN 60 19 1
digitaltim
Sig737 VIN628
85kWh and half 21 half 19 for me - I switched wheels/tires for the winter...
Back to 21s in April.
Back to 21s in April.
1300 miles; average 391; 85kWh battery; 19" wheels; in Chicago (1 snow storm all season before I got my car; 3 big storms since then (1 every week)!
Cold wet weather is doing a number on my average. I was getting similar numbers to the rest of you guys (300-400) for the first two days, and then the temperature dropped below freezing, the window started fogging, and I needed to run the defogger all the time: suddenly the wh/mi skyrocketed over 500.
The defogger fix cannot come soon enough.
The defogger fix cannot come soon enough.
Sparrow
S105/ Roadster 189
Updated Data:
Averages
avg median stdev dist_wt_avg
372 370 41 365
By State
State Wh N Miles
1 CA 356 15 47231
2 CO 352 2 3500
3 FL 303 1 5139
4 GA 322 2 5544
5 IL 420 2 1300
6 MD 375 1 10000
7 MN 402 3 8115
8 MO 372 2 6600
9 NJ 424 1 3600
10 NY 366 1 3000
11 ON 393 1 883
12 OR 418 3 5251
13 TX 326 1 3000
14 WA 410 2 2325
By Battery Type
Battery Wh N Miles
1 60 334 4 4274
2 85 361 15 45413
By Wheel Diameter
Wheel Wh N Miles
1 19 345 10 20057
2 21 376 5 10496
By Battery and Wheel
Battery Wheels Wh N Miles
1 60 19 334 4 4274
2 85 19 352 6 15783
3 85 21 376 5 10496
Data
Wh Miles State Battery Wheels N
GeekGirls 318 3000 CA 85 NA 1
MitchL 383 3300 CA NA NA 1
efusco 340 4700 MO 85 19 1
mcornwell 370 NA CA 85 21 1
FlasherZ 403 1900 MO NA NA 1
Zythryn 375 5500 MN NA NA 1
raptorweb 465 1600 MN NA NA 1
stevezzz 338 3500 CO 85 19 1
ckessel 426 3000 OR NA NA 1
kvietor 303 5139 FL NA NA 1
Jason S 351 4334 CA 85 NA 1
rcc 375 1800 CA 85 NA 1
brianman 426 NA <NA> NA NA 1
Sparrow 287 2400 GA 85 19 1
Andrew Wolfe 343 2700 CA NA NA 1
drbradfo 430 686 OR NA NA 1
gg_got_a_tesla 325 1000 CA 60 19 1
Chgd Up 353 8400 <NA> NA NA 1
jhs_7645 399 558 WA 85 21 1
ddenboer 359 8500 CA NA NA 1
dlmorgan999 397 1565 OR NA NA 1
NJS1207 424 3600 NJ NA NA 1
pilotSteve 422 1767 WA NA NA 1
tezco 366 NA CO NA NA 1
eelton 450 NA IL NA NA 1
spatterso911 354 2000 CA 85 21 1
Ben W 372 4800 CA NA NA 1
bob_p 326 3000 TX NA NA 1
aaron.s 366 3000 NY 85 19 1
Zextraterrestrial 391 5600 CA NA NA 1
mnx 393 883 ON 85 19 1
Banahogg 307 1205 CA 60 19 1
digitaltim 375 10000 MD 85 NA 1
StephRob1 387 4938 CA 85 21 1
StephRob2 336 1054 CA 60 19 1
ElSupreme 356 3144 GA NA NA 1
Vexar 367 1015 MN 60 19 1
kcveins 391 1300 IL 85 19 1
Lloyd 370 3000 CA 85 21 1
Averages
avg median stdev dist_wt_avg
372 370 41 365
By State
State Wh N Miles
1 CA 356 15 47231
2 CO 352 2 3500
3 FL 303 1 5139
4 GA 322 2 5544
5 IL 420 2 1300
6 MD 375 1 10000
7 MN 402 3 8115
8 MO 372 2 6600
9 NJ 424 1 3600
10 NY 366 1 3000
11 ON 393 1 883
12 OR 418 3 5251
13 TX 326 1 3000
14 WA 410 2 2325
By Battery Type
Battery Wh N Miles
1 60 334 4 4274
2 85 361 15 45413
By Wheel Diameter
Wheel Wh N Miles
1 19 345 10 20057
2 21 376 5 10496
By Battery and Wheel
Battery Wheels Wh N Miles
1 60 19 334 4 4274
2 85 19 352 6 15783
3 85 21 376 5 10496
Data
Wh Miles State Battery Wheels N
GeekGirls 318 3000 CA 85 NA 1
MitchL 383 3300 CA NA NA 1
efusco 340 4700 MO 85 19 1
mcornwell 370 NA CA 85 21 1
FlasherZ 403 1900 MO NA NA 1
Zythryn 375 5500 MN NA NA 1
raptorweb 465 1600 MN NA NA 1
stevezzz 338 3500 CO 85 19 1
ckessel 426 3000 OR NA NA 1
kvietor 303 5139 FL NA NA 1
Jason S 351 4334 CA 85 NA 1
rcc 375 1800 CA 85 NA 1
brianman 426 NA <NA> NA NA 1
Sparrow 287 2400 GA 85 19 1
Andrew Wolfe 343 2700 CA NA NA 1
drbradfo 430 686 OR NA NA 1
gg_got_a_tesla 325 1000 CA 60 19 1
Chgd Up 353 8400 <NA> NA NA 1
jhs_7645 399 558 WA 85 21 1
ddenboer 359 8500 CA NA NA 1
dlmorgan999 397 1565 OR NA NA 1
NJS1207 424 3600 NJ NA NA 1
pilotSteve 422 1767 WA NA NA 1
tezco 366 NA CO NA NA 1
eelton 450 NA IL NA NA 1
spatterso911 354 2000 CA 85 21 1
Ben W 372 4800 CA NA NA 1
bob_p 326 3000 TX NA NA 1
aaron.s 366 3000 NY 85 19 1
Zextraterrestrial 391 5600 CA NA NA 1
mnx 393 883 ON 85 19 1
Banahogg 307 1205 CA 60 19 1
digitaltim 375 10000 MD 85 NA 1
StephRob1 387 4938 CA 85 21 1
StephRob2 336 1054 CA 60 19 1
ElSupreme 356 3144 GA NA NA 1
Vexar 367 1015 MN 60 19 1
kcveins 391 1300 IL 85 19 1
Lloyd 370 3000 CA 85 21 1
I actually put a card on my dash this morning for my ride to work, so I couldn't see the energy gauge. And I think it has to do mostly with my tens of thousands of miles on a bicycle. I KNOW the most efficient way to drive, because I rode a bike over any sort of terrain you can imagine. And when you are putting out the power, you figure out the most efficient modes of travel FAST!
So instead of using this meter (which is logarithmic, and thus hard to comprehend on the fly to begin with) to try to interpret the most efficient method of driving, I am actually just driving like I would ride my bike, which I KNOW is really close to most efficient.
I had this revelation this morning about 8 miles from my house.
Tommy
Member
Another data point: 8,200 miles with a lifetime average of 336 kWh.
I have noticed over the last 1k-2k miles my average has been around 332 kWh whereas the first 2k miles my average was 345kWh. I think, just like an ICE power-train, some running time is needed to fully reduce the friction drag on the moving parts; I noticed an improvement at about the 6k mile mark.. Some of the difference probably can be attributed to weather, however I don't think my driving technique has changed.
EDIT:
85kWh battery in the State of Calif.
19" wheels
Tires inflated to 45 1/2 psi
I have noticed over the last 1k-2k miles my average has been around 332 kWh whereas the first 2k miles my average was 345kWh. I think, just like an ICE power-train, some running time is needed to fully reduce the friction drag on the moving parts; I noticed an improvement at about the 6k mile mark.. Some of the difference probably can be attributed to weather, however I don't think my driving technique has changed.
EDIT:
85kWh battery in the State of Calif.
19" wheels
Tires inflated to 45 1/2 psi
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That's really impressive. If I only drove my commute route (no quick grocery runs) and avoided times when it involves stop-and-go traffic I think I could do as well - but that's a spectacular average. Do you have any suggestions that differ from what I posted above?
Sparrow
S105/ Roadster 189
No big secrets to driving efficiently. Driving consistently in an efficient mode is the key. Accelerate smoothly and drive like the car is the luxury car that it is. Like a good meal I savor the driving experience and thus I make sure I am not in a rush to get anywhere. I avoid running the HVAC as much as possible. By watching the traffic in front of me I try not to have to stop if I can help it. That is about it. Now after 2650 miles I am at 286 Wh/mile and I would expect it to keep going down as Atlanta begins to get back to Spring time temperatures. Even without the heat on there seems to be about a 10% penalty when drivng at 32F verses 60F.
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