thefortunes
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Chicago isn't exactly a "camping" destinationI am amazed at how many people want to tow trailers. I don't see that many on the road here in Chicago. As a matter of fact.....I can't remember the last time I saw one.
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Chicago isn't exactly a "camping" destinationI am amazed at how many people want to tow trailers. I don't see that many on the road here in Chicago. As a matter of fact.....I can't remember the last time I saw one.
In fact, it's very difficult to find anywhere to camp in the Chicago area. I had looked at one point when I was considering a cross-country trip with our Airstream. I found a few references to dry camping in parking lots, but nothing formalized. It's a city, after all.Chicago isn't exactly a "camping" destination
That must be it.Chicago isn't exactly a "camping" destination
I live in an area where tourism is the leading industry, so trailers (and motorhomes) are a very common sight along the roads. But even over in Denver, a metropolitan area on the plains, travel trailers are common since visiting the nearby mountains is part of the lifestyle.That must be it.
I would think I would see campers passing through though. Maybe not...I am in no way a camper...sooooo........
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." (W. Shakespeare)I am amazed at how many people want to tow trailers. I don't see that many on the road here in Chicago. As a matter of fact.....I can't remember the last time I saw one.
Yes, range will be a major issue with that T@B, as I believe it will be with the Alto. The T@B is a similar shape and has about the same frontal area but is about two feet shorter, so the roof slopes down even more severely after the peak. Which I think will increase aerodynamic drag due to air flow separation as it leaves the roof peak and then interacts with air coming off the upper edge of the side walls, producing twin vortices of turbulence. Drag can be reduced by lengthening the trailer and sloping the roofline more gradually.Interesting thread. How about some thoughts on the T@B 320S behind a model 3 ?
T@B 320 S Floor Plan - nuCamp RV | T@B Teardrop Camper
Frontal area (78x89) looks similar to the Alto R-1723 mentioned above with 1848 total weight.
My guess is that range would be the biggest issue if the max battery size is 75. (guessing here). What would be your WAG on range ?
Saw one of those in someone's driveway the other day.I'm looking at the Little Guy T@b at 15 ft and 1600#. It even has a wet bath.View attachment 223605
Agreed. The problem is the trailer manufacturers live in the ICE age, where trailer owners aren't terribly concerned about their gas mileage. They know it takes a big hit while towing, but they accept it and just fill their tanks more often.I'm looking forward to trailers that are actually engineered for aero efficiency. A teardrop looks slick but as stated above, it is a compromise for minor gain. A little CFD would go a long way with these manufacturers.
It's going to be hard on range regardless of battery size. If a T@B takes GMC Sierra from ~17mpg to ~13mpg (link below), it'll absolutely destroy the range of a Model 3 at highway speeds.Interesting thread. How about some thoughts on the T@B 320S behind a model 3 ?
T@B 320 S Floor Plan - nuCamp RV | T@B Teardrop Camper
Frontal area (78x89) looks similar to the Alto R-1723 mentioned above with 1848 total weight.
My guess is that range would be the biggest issue if the max battery size is 75. (guessing here). What would be your WAG on range ?
Agreed, but basically that is just a tent on wheels with a hard floor and roof. No kitchen or bathroom. It's innovative for sure and the impact on EV range would likely be minimal.This one is ideal for the model 3 - lightweight and low drag.
SylvanSport GO Camper - SylvanSport
Thanks for posting that link. Reading through the MPG reports on that page I see people reporting anywhere from 20% to almost 50% decreases in MPG while towing. I find the 20% reports questionable: I think the person towing isn't measuring their mileage very accurately, the real figure is likely higher (worse MPG). I have read similar reports in the Altoiste FB group (Safari Condo Alto owners) about MPG decreasing by at least one-third.It's going to be hard on range regardless of battery size. If a T@B takes GMC Sierra from ~17mpg to ~13mpg (link below), it'll absolutely destroy the range of a Model 3 at highway speeds.
Question for Tab owners - Vehicle and towing MPG
Wow, the losses pulling a T@B trailer are more than I expected.It's going to be hard on range regardless of battery size. If a T@B takes GMC Sierra from ~17mpg to ~13mpg (link below), it'll absolutely destroy the range of a Model 3 at highway speeds.
Question for Tab owners - Vehicle and towing MPG
It's that optical trick, making us believe teardrops are actually more aerodynamic. Too bad we can't see airflow. We'd probably make vastly different design and purchase decisions.Wow, the losses pulling a T@B trailer are more than I expected.
GMC Terrain: 30 down to 15.6 mpg, 48% loss (+1037 Wh/mi)
2013 Subaru Outback: 29 down to 17 mpg, 41% loss (+820 Wh/mi)
2012 Ford Escape: 26 down to 14 mpg, 46% loss (+1111 Wh/mi)
2013 Nissan Murano: 25 down to 15.5 mpg, 38% loss (+826 Wh/mi)
2011 Jeep Wrangler: 18 down to 14 mpg, 22% loss (+535 Wh/mi)
GMC Sierra: 17.4 down to 12.9 mpg, 26% loss (+676 Wh/mi)
2008 Ford Explorer: 16 down to 10 mpg, 38% loss (+1264 Wh/mi)