RobStark
Well-Known Member
The Ford Prodigy uses the Kammback.
In the stylish hands of Franz von Holzhausen it can more than work.
In the stylish hands of Franz von Holzhausen it can more than work.
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Leaf: distinctive, divisive (bug-eyed)
i3: distinctive, divisive (boxy, two-tone)
Volt: conventional, distinctive, not divisive
S: conventional, not distinctive, not divisive
The Leaf and i3 divisiveness is deliberate: they have to worry about cannibalizing ICEV sales. Tesla doesn't. So they can design something aerodynamic, that while distinctive and different from the norm won't be ugly. Teardrops are not ugly.
So the Bolt is designed to not sell?
It's about interior room on a light weight short wheelbase. Well, the i3 anyways. The Leaf is probably about the lack of effective drug testing in the design department.
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Rashomon
Member
There is such strong incentive for Tesla to hit record low drag numbers. If Tesla reduced the CdA to 0.44 meters-squared (the S is about 0.58 m2) by the mentioned Cd of .2 with a 10 percent reduction in A by narrowing the 3 and eliminating sideview mirrors, they could cut power requirements to maintain 75 mph on level ground to about 14 kW of delivered power. Such a car could easily go more than 225 miles at 75 mph with a sub-60 kWh battery pack, even accounting for coulomb losses and drive train losses. They could probably deliver a M3 that hit an EPA range rating of 240 miles with a pack around 50 kWh. It suggests the pack sizes might end up at 50 kWh base and 65 kWh optional, the bigger giving almost 300 miles of EPA range.
Candleflame
Active Member
you know i have a feeling the rearwheels may be covered like in the XL1 and the car will use special aero tires in the front... The cd reduction would be huge.
And did the i3 have to look like it does on the _outside_?
The Bolt is designed just to sell enough. GM is only going to make 30k of them per year. It's primarily an LG Automotive development vehicle with a GM designed motor, assembled by GM.
See that picture posted of the XL1. That's not even really pushing the boundaries. But the XL1 is a hybrid.
BriansTesla
Old school meets new tech
Wonder if the M3 might have any elements of this 1992 GM ultralight (.192 CD). Wouldn't that be something.
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Trev Page
Member
"no weirdmobiles"
Model 3 has been vacillating between "radical" and "conventional" even as recently as the Detroit auto show earlier this year. The design direction is most likely finished now to be able to start construction of the prototype in time for the March unveiling I certainly doubt out of the gate that Model 3 will be radical. I'm pretty confident the Model X front end will be there, the rest... I expect to see something that fits in the same family as the Model S to begin with.
Model 3 has been vacillating between "radical" and "conventional" even as recently as the Detroit auto show earlier this year. The design direction is most likely finished now to be able to start construction of the prototype in time for the March unveiling I certainly doubt out of the gate that Model 3 will be radical. I'm pretty confident the Model X front end will be there, the rest... I expect to see something that fits in the same family as the Model S to begin with.
MrBigSmiles
Member
A financial disaster very doubtful. Some said the same thing when Tesla discontinued the initial low end Model S that started at $57,999. As long as the Model 3 is roughly half the cost of the Model S it will sell extremely well.
ratsbew
Active Member
Getting rid of the side mirrors kills two birds with one stone. It would reduce the Cd and the CdA. I hope they are designing for a Cd of 0.20 with mirrors and then it will be a bonus if they can delete the mirrors to get down to 0.19 or so.
Tesla Model 3 design: Expect the unexpected | BGR
It's an old comment from Elon, but if it "won't look like other cars" some people are bound to find that weird.
We know that Model 3 is a new platform rather than a single car and so we've speculated about different configurations. Maybe one configuration could be the 0.2 Cd version.
Or is Elon pushing for 0.2 as a standard?
It's an old comment from Elon, but if it "won't look like other cars" some people are bound to find that weird.
We know that Model 3 is a new platform rather than a single car and so we've speculated about different configurations. Maybe one configuration could be the 0.2 Cd version.
Or is Elon pushing for 0.2 as a standard?
tinm
2020 Model S LR+ Owner
Instead of curb rash on the rear wheels, we can look forward to curb rash on the rear side quarter panels. Fun times ahead 
