Looks like they are removing stalks from the 3/Y

[santua]

Everyone making such a big fuz lmao. This reminds me of the talks about the G80 on the BMW forums, ugly grill this, ugly proportion that, dumb tablet instead of normal gauges and buttons being removed from the center console and replaced by touch screen actions.

All that talk and guess what? The G80 M3 sells more than any other M3 before. People hate change, its a fact, so no matter what they do, threads like these will always pop up.

I think feedback is great, but outright ranting before anything is even announced is just dumb.

 

[Hunt3r]

@Hunt3r - I think we're all in agreement then. Removal of stalks won't be amazing, and we won't buy their cars anymore, and it won't be life-changing.

Not sure about the we, and I don't have the ability to see into the future, but apparently There "you" go.

 

[heavyD]

Everyone making such a big fuz lmao. This reminds me of the talks about the G80 on the BMW forums, ugly grill this, ugly proportion that, dumb tablet instead of normal gauges and buttons being removed from the center console and replaced by touch screen actions.

All that talk and guess what? The G80 M3 sells more than any other M3 before. People hate change, its a fact, so no matter what they do, threads like these will always pop up.

I think feedback is great, but outright ranting before anything is even announced is just dumb.

I get what you are trying to say but you are comparing controversial styling to removing physical controls. It's apples to oranges. I do agree that the BMW community is by far the whiniest out there and hate every little change. Half of the posters at Bimmerpost would be perfectly fine if technology never advanced past 2002 forever.

 

[804son]

I'm all for it, if Tesla can produce a system for gear selection that is more functional than a Stalk. I would love a system that can predict which direction I want to go each time and I never have to think about it. But it's got to be able to do it all the time, every time. However, if it involves Neural Link. Well you can count me out LOL. All kidding aside I'm not sure the current system of swiping the screen is an improvement in functionality.

 

[3sr+buyer]

Half of the posters at Bimmerpost would be perfectly fine if technology never advanced past 2002 forever.

Meaning this?

 

[3sr+buyer]

Speaking of those old BMWs, BMW did build two electric versions that were used as escort or support vehicles for the marathon at the 1972 Olympics. The presumed intent was to avoid bothering the athletes with the exhaust fumes.

BMW 1602 Elektro-Antrieb celebrates 50 years - Autodevot

That’s right, the i3 (hatchback) might be BMW’s first mass-produced electric vehicle, but the company’s attempts of making an electric vehicle dates back to the early ’70s when the petrol-powered 02 Series coupe (3 Series predecessor) got converted into 1602 Elektro-Antrieb (electric drive)...

www.autodevot.com

 

[jabloomf1230]

Meaning this?

More likely this:

 

[3Volts2aTes]

@Hunt3r - I think we're all in agreement then. Removal of stalks won't be amazing, and we won't buy their cars anymore, and it won't be life-changing.

Yeah…I don’t think that is what he said at all - but nice projection.

There seems to be a lot of strong opinion, but for most drivers, in most situations, it is just preference and familiarity. I as well have driven many different configurations, and really once I learned the method and gained a bit of familiarity, for the majority of uses they all worked well.

Of course you can always find an outlier case. Simple fact is that a manual shift is gross muscle skill and pushing a screen or any smaller button, or manipulating another control is a fine motor skill - which decreases under stress. However, that is not the vast majority of use.

I doubt it will matter how a shift is selected for most buyers going forward. Most drivers won’t even think beyond the “oh…that’s different…ok, got it.” Those that will find it as the most important consideration will choose what the market has to fit their needs.

I think this is one where time will tell how well it is received by the market. Has actual sales numbers for the Model S dropped off? It will be interesting to see in a year if it has impacted Model 3 sales.

 

[father_of_6]

Yeah…I don’t think that is what he said at all - but nice projection.

That actually *is* what he said. He said if removal of the stalks is not amazing he won't buy their cars and it won't be life changing.

We already know that removal of stalks is not amazing, and we're in agreement of how to respond.

There are Model S owners that are tolerant of stalkless driving. I haven't come across any that feel removal of the stalks is an *improvement*. There are definitely many that want stalks back.

The consensus *seems* to be that removal of stalks has been negatively received, although there's really only anecdotal evidence. That's enough for me though.

 

[3Volts2aTes]

Not even remotely close to what he said. If you bothered to read what he said…as he pointed out you are hell bent on everyone agreeing with your assessment.

Not everyone does, and the only “consensus” is in your imagination. I am sure in another post or two you will be insisting I actually agreed with you, based on your past behavior.

Is it so hard to understand that other people have different opinion and that it is perfectly ok if you do not like something that other people like?

You even manage to acknowledge that there are drivers it doesn’t bother - good grief. Just have your opinion and understand that it is simply your opinion.

 

[father_of_6]

Not everyone does, and the only “consensus” is in your imagination. I am sure in another post or two you will be insisting I actually agreed with you

So we agree there is a consensus.

 

[jabloomf1230]

The consensus *seems* to be that removal of stalks has been negatively received, although there's really only anecdotal evidence. That's enough for me though.

Tesla does certain things to simplify the design and to save money. The money is not only saved by eliminating parts and wiring but also by eliminating repairs under warranty. Removing stalks is an example. Any change that Tesla makes is sure to disappoint some potential buyers. That's fine, then they should buy another brand of EV that has stalks.

 

[3Volts2aTes]

So we agree there is a consensus.

Yep…in your imagination, and your attempts to force people to agree with you. Really, that you don’t like it is ok, but why would you so desperately try to force people to agree with you.

 

[Vines]

I am one of those drivers who would refuse to buy another Tesla if it lacks basic stalks. I have FSD Beta so I can see it will be a while before the wheel is retracting. I bought my 2018 M3P when FSD was cross country next year.

I feel like I know that 2 weeks is not coming anytime soon. Tesla currently cannot even figure out autowipers and auto high beams.

I want the ability to adjust into reverse and drive, and have blinkers on the stalk. I am due for a Model Y delivery early next year, but could change that based on this. I might need to prioritize my delivery before this change.

Adjusting into drive and park is not a place Tesla need to save money in my opinion. I am willing to pay for that, but I do not make those calls.

 

[jabloomf1230]

Considering how many EV manufacturers copy things that Tesla does first, I wonder if stalks are on their way out.

 

[chinney]

Tesla does certain things to simplify the design and to save money. The money is not only saved by eliminating parts and wiring but also by eliminating repairs under warranty. Removing stalks is an example. Any change that Tesla makes is sure to disappoint some potential buyers. That's fine, then they should buy another brand of EV that has stalks.

Is there any evidence of significant 'stalk failure' in vehicles? In almost 40 years of driving I have never had one fail. Come to think of it, I have never personally known of anyone else with a stalk failure situation. To the extent, nevertheless, they could perhaps sometimes fail, is there any evidence that the alternative to stalks would fail less often or would be cheaper to repair when it does?

I'd argue that removing vehicle stalks is a solution in search of a problem.

 

[jabloomf1230]

I feel like I know that 2 weeks is not coming anytime soon. Tesla currently cannot even figure out autowipers and auto high beams.

I don't believe that Tesla can't figure those out. Improvements to the auto high beams seem to be a lower priority than getting FSD to work. The front camera does not seem to have an activity zone that's correctly limited to where oncoming cars are located. Whether this is either due to sloppiness or a lack of available computing power, I don't know.

As to wipers, one has to review the origins of this option. Older cars had a moisture sensor that sat on the outside of windshield, but out of the driver's field of vision. This design consisted of one sensor and one wire. It worked more of less okay. This design was replaced in high end cars by an IR LED and a IR sensor which were both mounted behind the windshield in the rear view mirror assembly. This setup has two wires, a sensor and a light source. The sensor measures beam scattering which is somewhat proportional to rain intensity.

Tesla opted to use the existing front camera(s) to measure ambient light scattering. This uses no additional wires or sensors, but is not the greatest approach, as is evidenced by the many complaints. Like the auto high beams, it may be possible to improve the auto wipers response by programming, but again, this effort doesn't presently seem to be a high priority.

 

[jabloomf1230]

Is there any evidence of significant 'stalk failure' in vehicles? In almost 40 years of driving I have never had one fail. Come to think of it, I have never personally known of anyone else with a stalk failure situation. To the extent, nevertheless, they could perhaps sometimes fail, is there any evidence that the alternative to stalks would fail less often or would be cheaper to repair when it does?

I'd argue that removing vehicle stalks is a solution in search of a problem.

I didn't want to drag this thread too far off course, but supply chain issues also enter into design decisions made by Tesla.

 

[qdeathstar]

Personally I’m for the move. Y’all know what a model y with lumbar and stalks is gonna be worth in a few years!!!!!!

 

[jabloomf1230]

Personally I’m for the move. Y’all know what a model y with lumbar and stalks is gonna be worth in a few years!!!!!!

I can just see the used car ads now.