mk677
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in the very near future the dominance of ICE over EV cars sold will diminish. currently tesla sells 79% of EVs sold in the US, that level of sales cannot hold as many competitors enter the EV market
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Mach-E road trip becomes a charging fiasco...
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Nobody expects Tesla to maintain 80% of the EV market. I'm focused on Tesla's percentage of the total vehicle market, which will continue to grow for years to come.
Tesla will do just fine without maintaining an enormous market share. The media will of course spin it otherwise.
EV market share is meaningless. Market share of all vehicles is what matters. Tesla’s all vehicle market share has steadily been growing and will continue to do so. You realize the generally accepted volume numbers for Tesla is to double last years output this year and then double 2021 output for 2022, right?
As long as Tesla sells every single vehicle they produce, and their production volume keeps increasing, market share is meaningless. Like already said, there are lots of room for everyone in the current market.
mk677
Member
in addition to losing market share from the sale of cars the more EVs that the fords and gms sell the less impact credits tesla will be able to sell to them. in the last quarter all of tesla's profits were derived from bitcoin trading profits and the sale of impact credits to ICE manufacturers.
some of y'all seem to not be looking at the whole picture
Actually you are the one not looking at the whole picture.
Some people like to point out the one time income like BTC and Reg credits but fail to account for the one time expenses of CEO compensation for the new tranch and Model S/X retooling this quarter. You take out those two items and they are profitable without Reg credits and BTC. They are using every amount of income they can for expansion. Very wise. And if they no longer receive Reg credits, they don’t spend that amount. But who wouldn’t want to have their competition fund their own expansion?
Feel free to duke it out on the investor thread with others that will set you straight.
There have been many Tesla-killers, but Tesla is still isn't bankwupt.
- Jaguar i-Pace
- Mercedes EQ*
- Audi Etron
- Ford Mustang
I would have thought one of the big OEMs would finally get serious and provide real competition, but it hasn't materialized and we're still waiting. If anything, it's shown me that the OEMs are old plodding dinosaurs.
- Jaguar i-Pace
- Mercedes EQ*
- Audi Etron
- Ford Mustang
I would have thought one of the big OEMs would finally get serious and provide real competition, but it hasn't materialized and we're still waiting. If anything, it's shown me that the OEMs are old plodding dinosaurs.
You know what's ridiculous?
VW, one of the biggest OEMs and sellers of the Taycan, etron, and id.3/4, supposedly paid Tesla for credits in China. VW has been funding Tesla's expansion in China.
So this is how the competition is going to beat Tesla?
VW, one of the biggest OEMs and sellers of the Taycan, etron, and id.3/4, supposedly paid Tesla for credits in China. VW has been funding Tesla's expansion in China.
So this is how the competition is going to beat Tesla?
Old news, nevertheles:
www.businessinsider.com
A man's panicked search for an electric-car charging station between Boston and New York shows one of Tesla's biggest advantages over its rivals
The Mustang Mach-E driver said his battery dropped past 23% before he was able to find a charging station that would work with a non-Tesla car.
www.businessinsider.com
Old news, nevertheles:
A man's panicked search for an electric-car charging station between Boston and New York shows one of Tesla's biggest advantages over its rivals
The Mustang Mach-E driver said his battery dropped past 23% before he was able to find a charging station that would work with a non-Tesla car.
If you read the real article (EV charging on long-distance drives isn't so easy if you lack a Tesla) the guy was a lazy idiot. He read a reference somewhere that his regular freeway rest stops had EV chargers, but the two he stopped at had only Tesla chargers. And so on. I guess I shouldn’t be too harsh. Ford and others need to provide their owners with actual information, like here’s PlugShare, use it wisely. Instead they throw their customers to the wolves and into the waiting arms of Tesla.
And people wonder why I scoff when I hear of Tesla “competition”. Theres so many ways they all drop the ball, it is hard to keep track.
Agree. This guy's story is completely different than the YouTuber who sparked this thread. The YouTuber knew exactly how things work and the EA equipment let him down. This dork in the BI story did not do ANY planning whatsoever to see where he was going to charge, how fast the chargers were, or what was even required to activate the chargers.
One has to admit though that owning an EV is not as simple as owning a ICE car for long distances. It requires some planning. I'm good with it, and CA now has a pretty amazing network of Tesla SCs, but it'll need to become way more dense if we want driving an EV to be as care free as driving a regular ICE car.
stopcrazypp
Well-Known Member
But as plenty of reviewers point out, that's a real problem. In a Tesla, you punch in your address in the nav and it figures out the charging stations. The other cars have similar functions but they don't work nearly as well (such that Plugshare or other apps are required). That won't go down well with the general public, given we are past the point of EV enthusiasts being the bulk of buyers.
El joe
Active Member
Agreed, but on my trips, Tesla required less planning (I’m in Cali, too). Plugged in my destination and my Model 3 mapped my trip, stops, how long to stop, estimated charge at arrival, etc. A gas car may provide navigation, but the stops and such aren’t integrated, which I was reminded of when taking a shorter trip in my wife’s ICE car.
Other EVs are just way behind in the aspect of road trip planning, making people rely on third-party apps and charging units. That makes them much, much more challenging to use on road trips than a Tesla, particularly novices like the author of this article.
I remember when Elon announced this feature, he called it “the end of range anxiety”. I scoffed at it at the time since the first versions had various inaccuracies and we in the Tesla community were adept at using various planning tools. But Tesla kept updating the software making it more robust and sure enough it is a major reason why long trips are so easy with Tesla’s.
As usual, other EVs are years behind Tesla in this area too.
kindofblue
Member
There certainly are places in the West where any chargers are rare (think Great Basin NV or Death Valley) and we like to go to places like that so for the time being we'll be keeping our Volt for trips out in the "boonies." Even going up to Big Sur can be challenging if you're not driving through. There's little between San Luis Obispo and Monterey.
It's 117 miles from the Pismo Beach SC to the Ventana Big Sur SC plus you really can't go 75MPH on highway 1 so even with the elevation change that's plenty of charge. On highway 101 you have even more options like Atascadero, Paso Robles, Greenfield, etc. I agree that some places out in the west have few SC locations but remember to bring your mobile charger - there are still lots of RV parks around where you can charge. We were at a campground in Big Bend TX charging while doing a hike and had enough to get back to the Fort Stockton SC.
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