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Madrid - Barcelona - Madrid this weekend - Hope it goes well

Discussion in 'Model S: Battery & Charging' started by mgemmell, Nov 15, 2013.

  1. mgemmell

    mgemmell Scottish chap

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    In order to take part in the Expo-Electric EV gathering in Barcelona on Sunday I am going to do drive our Model S Sig P85+ over there tomorrow (Saturday the 16th November 2013).

    As we all need to build up experience with roadtrips I am going to share my experience here as it unfolds. I'll also blog it at driveandream.wordpress.com.

    Here's the plan:

    9.30am leave Madrid with full charge (only 490kms on my car :( )
    11am arrive at Siguenza Parador - 22kW charge
    1pm leave
    3pm arrive at Hotel Reina Petronas Palafox - 22kW charge (I just added this stop right now as the Siguenza - Cardona journey is 455kms and that is seriously close to the limit)
    4pm leave (variable)
    7pm arrive at Cardona Parador - 22kW charge

    Sunday:
    8am Drive down to Barcelona and Expo Electric at the Arco de Triunfo
    12 noon leave the Expo Electric
    2pm arrive at Tortosa Parador - 22kW charge
    4pm leave
    5.30pm arrive at Alcañiz Parador - 22kW charge
    6.30pm leave
    9.30pm arrive Siguenza Parador again
    10.30pm leave
    Midnight arrive home in Madrid.

    I'll post progress...
     
  2. EdA

    EdA Model S P-2540

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    Good luck! [Pics or it didn't happen]
     
  3. mgemmell

    mgemmell Scottish chap

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    Ok, well it's all in the blog (driveandream.wordpress.com) essentially because I can post there from the iphone just by sending an email. I will select some snaps and write a summary of the trip this evening.

    As a brief taster... I did 1400kms in snow and ice, mostly at -1C to +1C, visited 5 22kW recharge outlets on the way and climbed a total of about 3300m of combined uphill, and the same of combined downhill.

    Spain is a hilly place! :)
     
  4. EdA

    EdA Model S P-2540

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    Excellent stuff. Snow in Spain falls mainly in the....hills! In November nonetheless!
     
  5. mgemmell

    mgemmell Scottish chap

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    Here is a summary of the trip from Madrid to Barcelona and back, starting Saturday morning and returning late Sunday night.

    * 1400kms total,
    * 5 charge stops, all with 22kW outlets although thanks to the firmware limit I could only charge at 17.5kW.
    * There were a total of something like 3500m of climbs and drops (counting only the mountain passes, not every little hill :) ).
    * The temperature on all but the coastal areas was not much above 0C and sometimes negative. It snowed heavily Saturday midday and the snow stayed all through Sunday on the high roads. In Barcelona it rained enough to flood the highway.

    Here's how the road looked heading out of Siguenza towards the highway to Zaragoza:
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    Now I've got 21" wheels with summer tires (its a P85+) so this was not entirely perfect for me :) However the car behaved impecably with not a hint of under or oversteer. I didn't test it to the limit but it felt rock solid frankly.

    I drove at 90km/h all the time, (less on the country roads above ;) ), but only occasionally slipstreamed a truck (I have found this to not help that much compared to the Roadster perhaps because the S is so streamlined).

    Energy use was on average 195Wh/km. This was a little dissapointing bearing in mind how easy I was going, but I think it comes down to the low temperatures and the prevailing wind. On Saturday it was difficult to get low energy use whereas on Sunday there was no wind and it felt easier. This is something I intend to study in greater depth, but it makes sense... if the impact on energy use between 90km/h and 100km/h is large then a 10km/h wind can easily have the same impact, right? Has anyone studied this already? (So now the ideal EV sat nav not only has to choose the shortest rather than fastest route, but must also factor in climbs and drops, AND prevailing winds!)

    As part of Drive & Dream I organise 22kW outlets at all the places I visit, and if you look at Paradores (parador.es) you will see they are some pretty impressive historic buildings. Here is the Model S charging at my overnight stop outside Barcelona:
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    (Sorry for the low quality but it was actually very dark and raining heavily)
    That building is where the 10kV transformer resides and so its the ideal place to locate some high power outlets as voltage drops are minimized. They are going to prepare several outlets in fact there, and are motivated to even put Mennekes outlets etc. if enough customers visit... so let's make sure everyone coming South for their vacations stops at Cardona ok? :)


    Other interesting aspects of the trip were, tire pressue and the final leg home.

    Tire pressures... It was on my checklist for the night before, but I didn't write the checklist down, so I forgot. Perhaps as a result of being at 1200m altitude or perhaps because the temperature dropped to sub-zero, but I got a pressure warning as I set off from Siguenza. Maybe this was good for the snow (soft tires = more grip?) but later when I inflated them really high the car was just as well behaved in the snow, so probably not. I confess to not knowing the correct pressures and not knowing where the sticker was that specifies them (drivers door column) so I over-inflated them. It didn't help energy consumption by the way, which is a surprise (helps the Roadster).

    Final leg home: This was 403kms of very hilly terrain (see the blog at driveandream.wordpress.com for details) and very cold weather, however, thanks to going very slow at first (70km/h... it was a curvy road) and then taking it easy (90km/h) on the highway, I could see I was going to make it and increaed speed near the end. This is why I arrived with 10kms of range... it is easy to judge and there isn't any point in arriving with charge to spare frankly. I could have arrived with 50kms or more if I had wanted, but it was late and I was enthusiastic to get home :)

    I could do Madrid-Barcelona with just one stop (a 4 hour stop in Zaragoza at the Reina Petronas Hotel would do), and this would actually be rather similar to a regular ICE journey. ok, normally the lunch stop woul d be an hour or two (this is Spain, so lets make it two!), and I wouldn't go as fast as in an ICE, but the whole journey would take the best part of a day, which is also the case in an ICE frankly.

    More trips coming soon....
     
  6. paco3791

    paco3791 TMC OG

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    Sounds like a great trip! Makes me want to take my S to Europe!
     
  7. marcelg

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    OMG, lovely car but no superchargers yet in Spain, also snow, take care of you right foot, too much power in it.
    Anyway, i will be you and make the trip is such bad weather conditions.
    Good luck
     

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