Magnetic Batteries

[JRP3]

My friends already have a ridiculously good set of magnetic battery designs, with roughly 100 times the energy density of anything on the market, so that it should cost roughly 1/10 the cost per kilowatt of the current stuff. It's been several years now and we haven't managed to get it commercialized. It will be eventually, one hopes.

If they want a test vehicle I'm willing to pull out my LiFePO4 cells. At 100 times the energy density that would give me a 120kWh+ pack!

But the key thing here is that none of the other carmakers have bothered to design an electric car. They're all stuffing an electric motor into a car *shaped* like a gasoline car, and trying to make it *act* like a gasoline car. This gives bad handling, bad weight distribution, bad ergonomics, bad HVAC, etc.

Except at the energy density levels you're talking about batteries and the EV drivetrain have better effective energy density than an ICE system and you don't need to redesign anything. I took an ICE and put in an electric drivetrain and battery pack and ended up at the same weight as the original vehicle, but I only have 12kWh's of storage. If I can do the same and end up with 120kWh's of storage at the same weight and same space nothing needs to be redesigned. That goes to my point that if energy density is high enough and cost is low enough you don't really need to do anything special to design a good EV.

 

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My friends already have a ridiculously good set of magnetic battery designs, with roughly 100 times the energy density of anything on the market, so that it should cost roughly 1/10 the cost per kilowatt of the current stuff. It's been several years now and we haven't managed to get it commercialized. It will be eventually, one hopes.

Have you guys got to the prototype stage? Proof of concept, I mean like coin sized cell? Or even smaller one, lab made tiny cell that actually works?

 

[neroden]

Have you guys got to the prototype stage? Proof of concept, I mean like coin sized cell? Or even smaller one, lab made tiny cell that actually works?

Frustratingly we keep changing manufacturing plans. I keep pushing to actually get a prototype produced of at least one of the designs. One of the principals suffers from the "But I have an even better design" problem.

 

[jcstp]

Frustratingly we keep changing manufacturing plans. I keep pushing to actually get a prototype produced of at least one of the designs. One of the principals suffers from the "But I have an even better design" problem.

electronics producers (tv's , smartphones) produce them as soon as they are better as what is on the market! Although they have better products in finished from r&d. This gives them margin to stay ahead of the competition!
If you don't produce, at one point someone else will!

 

[Nicu.Mihalache]

My friends already have a ridiculously good set of magnetic battery designs, with roughly 100 times the energy density of anything on the market, so that it should cost roughly 1/10 the cost per kilowatt of the current stuff. It's been several years now and we haven't managed to get it commercialized. It will be eventually, one hopes.

With the risk of making some people uneasy or even angry (sorry in advance), my friends have a nice bridge they could sell to you for roughly 1/10 of the price

 

[ItsNotAboutTheMoney]

Frustratingly we keep changing manufacturing plans. I keep pushing to actually get a prototype produced of at least one of the designs. One of the principals suffers from the "But I have an even better design" problem.

Is that really "we" or "the people you're funding"?

 

[DonPedro]

With the risk of making some people uneasy or even angry (sorry in advance), my friends have a nice bridge they could sell to you for roughly 1/10 of the price

Really? In a central location/major city?? A bridge to nowhere is not much use... ;-)

 

[Nicu.Mihalache]

Really? In a central location/major city?? A bridge to nowhere is not much use... ;-)

My friends told me it's quite well connected on both sides, but maybe some checks are in order ... I know a very good private detective!

 

[Citizen-T]

Off topic?

 

[hcsharp]

My friends told me it's quite well connected on both sides, ...

Yeah, but does it have 100x the energy density in the middle where it counts?

 

[Nicu.Mihalache]

Off topic?

No less related to Tesla's future than a 1000x improvement in batteries just waiting to be commercialized. Maybe for investors it's better to lighten up a bit from time to time so they have a chance to see the big picture. Spurts of dopamine induced by dreams of wonder magnetic batteries may have side effects like losing lots of cash

 

[Norbert]

Off topic. Starting with the magnetic batteries, which would be a doubtful contribution even in the battery thread.

 

[Robert.Boston]

Frustratingly we keep changing manufacturing plans. I keep pushing to actually get a prototype produced of at least one of the designs. One of the principals suffers from the "But I have an even better design" problem.

I'm working with an inventor who is constitutionally like this, but we got him to agree that the design was done when it hit certain benchmarks, i.e. cost, performance, and manufacturability at scale. This exercise had a very positive focusing effect on the R&D process.

 

[JRP3]

Here is a bunch of magnetic battery stuff, don't know if it's related to what Neroden's friends are working on.
http://newenergyandfuel.com/http:/newenergyandfuel/com/2009/03/18/the-birth-of-the-magnetic-battery/
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/03/090311162807.htm
http://phys.org/news142847923.html

 

[GSP]

Looks more useful for storing information than for 10x or 100x increase in specific energy storage (Wh/kg) or storage density (Wh/L).

GSP

 

[JRP3]

"We had anticipated the effect, but the device produced a voltage over a hundred times too big and for tens of minutes, rather than for milliseconds as we had expected,"

That sounds more like a battery than information storage.

 

[neroden]

I'm working with an inventor who is constitutionally like this, but we got him to agree that the design was done when it hit certain benchmarks, i.e. cost, performance, and manufacturability at scale. This exercise had a very positive focusing effect on the R&D process.

I would love it if we could do this, and I'm not going to say anything further.