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Magnetic Batteries

Discussion in 'Battery Discussion' started by JRP3, Apr 6, 2013.

  1. JRP3

    JRP3 Hyperactive Member

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    If they want a test vehicle I'm willing to pull out my LiFePO4 cells. At 100 times the energy density that would give me a 120kWh+ pack!


    Except at the energy density levels you're talking about batteries and the EV drivetrain have better effective energy density than an ICE system and you don't need to redesign anything. I took an ICE and put in an electric drivetrain and battery pack and ended up at the same weight as the original vehicle, but I only have 12kWh's of storage. If I can do the same and end up with 120kWh's of storage at the same weight and same space nothing needs to be redesigned. That goes to my point that if energy density is high enough and cost is low enough you don't really need to do anything special to design a good EV.
     
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    Have you guys got to the prototype stage? Proof of concept, I mean like coin sized cell? Or even smaller one, lab made tiny cell that actually works?
     
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    neroden Happy Model S Owner

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    Frustratingly we keep changing manufacturing plans. I keep pushing to actually get a prototype produced of at least one of the designs. One of the principals suffers from the "But I have an even better design" problem.
     
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    electronics producers (tv's , smartphones) produce them as soon as they are better as what is on the market! Although they have better products in finished from r&d. This gives them margin to stay ahead of the competition!
    If you don't produce, at one point someone else will!
     
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    With the risk of making some people uneasy or even angry (sorry in advance), my friends have a nice bridge they could sell to you for roughly 1/10 of the price ;)
     
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    ItsNotAboutTheMoney Active Member

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    Is that really "we" or "the people you're funding"?
     
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    Really? In a central location/major city?? A bridge to nowhere is not much use... ;-)
     
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    My friends told me it's quite well connected on both sides, but maybe some checks are in order ... I know a very good private detective!
     

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    Off topic?
     
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    Yeah, but does it have 100x the energy density in the middle where it counts?
     
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    No less related to Tesla's future than a 1000x improvement in batteries just waiting to be commercialized. Maybe for investors it's better to lighten up a bit from time to time so they have a chance to see the big picture. Spurts of dopamine induced by dreams of wonder magnetic batteries may have side effects like losing lots of cash :)
     
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    Norbert TSLA will win

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    Off topic. Starting with the magnetic batteries, which would be a doubtful contribution even in the battery thread.
     
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    Robert.Boston Model S VIN P01536

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    I'm working with an inventor who is constitutionally like this, but we got him to agree that the design was done when it hit certain benchmarks, i.e. cost, performance, and manufacturability at scale. This exercise had a very positive focusing effect on the R&D process.
     
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    Looks more useful for storing information than for 10x or 100x increase in specific energy storage (Wh/kg) or storage density (Wh/L).

    GSP
     
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    That sounds more like a battery than information storage.
     
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    I would love it if we could do this, and I'm not going to say anything further.
     

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