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Discussion in 'Model S' started by strider, May 24, 2011.

  1. strider

    strider Active Member

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    I've only had my Roadster for 6 months but I am dreading the annual "service." I am perfectly capable of changing key fob batteries and inspecting brakes, wheels, and tires. Do they at least bleed the brakes? At least that requires some actual labor. Otherwise, $700 for running some software diagnostics is ridiculous. It should at least be included during your warranty period. Doesn't BMW give you a couple years of free maintenance?
     
  2. mnx

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    Yes BMW includes free service during the warranty period(4 years / 80,000km). Hopefully Tesla will include free annual service with the Model S during the warranty period. (I wouldn't be too happy going from a car that costs me nothing to shelling out 700$/year for what is essentially an inspection)

    fwiw, Sbuyer, I love the idrive interface in my 2011 335d. I think it's easy to use, and I never have to look down. (although I usually glance at the screen to use it)

    - mnx

     
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    BMW service for 80K miles is not free. It is *included* in the price. Tesla of course could do the same thing.

    Worth probably more to some folk is the irritating wait at the dealer service department every few months while the dealer checks engine fluids etc. (what, 3 hours?) There is minimal maintenance for any car for 80K miles.

    Tesla does the "maintenance" once a year, which normally would be 12-15K miles. Betcha BMW would insist on having the car brought in more often than that.
     
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    Milton Friedman..."There's no such thing as a free lunch." :wink:
     
  5. Nik

    Nik Dreaming no more :-(

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    I doubt it. More likely to be 20K miles, at least in Europe.
     
  6. I never got this type of thinking. If it is included in the pricing how come the price is still cheaper than some of its rivals (aka Mercedes) that do not include free maintenance? Shouldn't the free maintenance make the car significantly more expensive than all of its competitors that do not offer free maintenance?

    The Maintenance on modern cars are not really based on a time frame but rather on how the car is used/driven. In my experience modern vehicles go in for service at 12k+ mile intervals. There is no reason for an almost maintenance free Electric Car to have to go into service at more frequent intervals than an ICE car. Its obvious that Tesla is trying to make service a profit center.
     
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    Most car companies have a "severe" schedule that they make you use when you drive in environments like, oh, all of Canada. That usually entails service - at least an oil change - every three months or so-many miles, whichever comes first. The cost is there, but I find it's more of a nuisance than anything else.

    Once-a-year sounds great to me.
     
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    Don't you at least have oil/filter changes every 5k?
     
  9. all luxury cars use synthetic oil and have used synthetic oil for the past 10 years
     
  10. Thumper

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    Neglecting maintenance is not a good idea. The Model S even without and engine will have a cooling system for the battery. It will have coolant and should be checked for leaks and possibly other thing I do not know of. It will have brakes that have exactly the same maintenance issues as other cars, pad wear, fluid level and rotor wear. Every car should go in the air now and then and have the suspension bits looked at for leaky shocks, bent parts, dented or in the case of "mag" wheels like the Tesla cracked rims. Those very low profile rims on the prototype look quite vulnerable to even small pot holes. You do NOT want to be driving a car when it has a rim failure! There may well be other electrical bits and pieces that should be looked at to be sure they are still tight and working correctly. Tires themselves need inspection for wear and embedded bits that could cause failure or leakage. Whether Tesla makes it a gougey profit center is a question of price not the need for maintenance.
     
  11. I just had my roadster in for service so I can speak to some of the points you bring up (that is of course if the Model S will use the same maintenance model as the roadster).

    On the Roadster the coolant should be changed every 2 years and I am assuming this will add to the cost of the normal yearly maintenance fee. The sales agent who sold me the Roadster made it a point to tell me that tires/brakes etc all can be serviced at any normal tire and brake service center and the maintenance of these items does not require a Tesla Service Center to perform these functions. The Model S is quite a bit heavier than the Roadster so I think you will be going through brakes a bit quicker, but on these cars you rarely use the brakes (until the last second) as regenerative braking slows you down pretty quickly. Honestly I think the brakes should last at least 40k miles. I do not see how these components of the Model S are any different than any other car in the Model S' class or are Model S specific? 90% of the Roadster's maintenance is inspections with a coolant change thrown in every other year.
     
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    Ah, true, true. But I've generally been considering the battery against the per mile cost, and amortizing it that way, but that's not really correct either. And should I account for the charges at work? Running through all the numbers, things pull just about even. In which case the Roadster is a bargain, 'cause it's a heck of a lot more fun and relaxing than the 911.

    As for annual service, I'm not going to miss it while the car is under warranty. Firmware upgrades (which I completely understand Tesla's position to not let the end-user risk bricking their car, and doing OTA upgrades has very, very serious security implications), opportunities for upgrades, and, of course, battery testing and 'tune up' - I've had 1 sheet replaced last year and 3 this year. This is still new tech, a yearly check-up isn't a bad idea.
     
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    My 2004 RX8 still expects maintenance every 5k miles even with synthetic oil. I suppose maybe that's too often, but that's what's recommended.
     
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    Perhaps it's a rotary thing.
     
  15. Don't rotary engines consume oil since they run at such high rpm's? I know this was the case with some of the older RX's. I think the way a rotary engine is lubricated/cooled is a bit different than a normal piston driven engine (maybe that is why they have the shorter maintenance interval?) Does the RX8 have a maintenance computer which prompts you to take the car in for service or are these pre-determined maintenance intervals?


    Mercedes, BMW & Audi etc all have variable maintenance schedule based on the duty cycle. I usually go 15-20k miles on my ICE car before it requires a service, which I think is normal. I think consumers in this class are expecting a similar type of maintenance interval (one of the major benefits of an EV that has been touted by Tesla for years now is maintenance advantage that Electric Motors have over ICE). If consumers have to bring in their Tesla every 10k miles or yearly it kind of defeats the purpose.
     
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    I don't know that that's normal. My wife's 2008 Acura RDX goes in every 6 months or so for an oil change at a minimum, which is about every 7500 miles. Its little reminder computer goes off and displays a message when you start the car. My 2004 RX8 is just preset based on mileage.
     
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    #18 strider, May 26, 2011
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    Heck, my 2006 Corvette had the same thing. Everything was synthetic (oil, xmission and diff fluids, brake fluids, etc) and the system would tell you when it was time to change the oil based on your driving habits. Mine was a daily driver so it came on about every 12k miles.

    Is the coolant swap included in your annual price? Also, I could have sworn they said 5 years on the coolant - again, my 2005 diesel Jeep Liberty and aforementioned Corvette had 5-year coolant intervals.... Just checked my 2.5 owner's manual, it says 4 years on coolant.

    I just don't see what they're doing for $700. They should be able to run pack/cell diagnostics over the air. Hmm, maybe I'm thinking about this all wrong. Maybe we should think of this annual service as a "software maintenance fee" that is common on technology products. You have to pay so much for maintenance every year which gives you access to tech support and all software upgrades.

    Doug, maybe we need a new "Tesla Annual Maintenance" thread?
     
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    Mechanical checks are indeed a good idea but the failure of those things are based on miles driven, not time. Some people drive their cars every day, for others it's just a weekend car. Rims aren't going to develop cracks sitting in someone's garage.
     
  20. Nik

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    No. Peugeot recommend a *top-up* of oil at 10K miles, but they will do this for free if you take it to a main dealer, so it's probably more of a tactic to keep you on their mailing lists.

    My car is a 2001 406 Coupe, so it's not exactly new.
     

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