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Apart from the minimal improvements?!
- all New drivetrain/motors
- all new hvac
- all new interior
- all new battery/thermal management/charging
- all new wheels and tires
- new front and rear body panels.
Apart from the suspension, frame, most of the other body panels, doors, and maybe the lights, this is a totally different, totally redesigned car! And all of these things I just listed that appear to be carried over, they could all have been tweaked as well.
If it costs less to build and the margins are better, then that helps to make up for what like 90% of the companies history that it was not profitable. The restored price will also help to cover the r&d costs of improving what like 75% of the cars components that I just listed were changed.
Do you guys see/read anything in the refresh that addresses acceleration shudder? Also hope they did something with the front control arms.
I don’t think the lawyers would let them put “fixes the front end shudder that exists in every single Model X we’ve built to date” on the marketing slides.
There's a $1,500 California Clean Fuel Reward.Why is the base price $1350 less in California?
Do you guys see/read anything in the refresh that addresses acceleration shudder? Also hope they did something with the front control arms.
If you can wait until late summer, we're going to be much better informed then. At the current speed this defect occurs, the first cars delivered early will have the 1500 Miles it takes for the damage to occurNone of “us” have seen one in person, let alone driven one.
Because something is "new" does not mean it is more expensive. .
Hold the line:
That’s exactly what it means. The price of the X dropped twice recently was because Tesla needed to get rid of vehicles. Everyone suspected that an update with imminent, and Tesla had to move out vehicles sitting on lots that would suddenly become dramatically devalued once the update was announced. It’s not that the updated vehicles cost “so much more” compared to the old-style ones. The dramatic price drop at the end of the year was simply Tesla’s version of a “model year blowout” for people who wanted to get a bargain Tesla. Obviously the price shouldn’t remain that low for new models.
Slower at max attack, sure. I'd bet the Long Range is every bit as quick as the old Performance when not doing a standing start. Lighter, same approximate power output, better cooling. Looks like it just won't have the power-dump capability the Ludicrous mode/launch mode had because the battery is smallerWondering what will happen to my existing performance reservation for $92k. No texts yet and it seems everyone on here had a LR reservation.
I'm stuck between a much slower car or a $24k increase to plaid.
I ordered my '21 LR+ and the production date was about 4 weeks after my order. These cars weren't sitting on lots, they were burning through parts inventory for the old interior and powertrain, but if you watched the inventory through 2020 like I did, you know they weren't having any problems moving in-stock product. The $80k price was, however, why I was willing to order.That’s exactly what it means. The price of the X dropped twice recently was because Tesla needed to get rid of vehicles. Everyone suspected that an update with imminent, and Tesla had to move out vehicles sitting on lots that would suddenly become dramatically devalued once the update was announced. It’s not that the updated vehicles cost “so much more” compared to the old-style ones. The dramatic price drop at the end of the year was simply Tesla’s version of a “model year blowout” for people who wanted to get a bargain Tesla. Obviously the price shouldn’t remain that low for new models.
interestingly, still buried in the fine print on the Rivian website for the R1S:
After launch, we’ll announce the timing of our 250+ mile and longer range R1S, also with seven seats.
that might actually cut into Tesla's sales. (I can think of at least one potential future X sale in jeopardy.)
also the plaid now has torque vectoring from two rear motors, which should differentiate the handling dynamics pretty significantly. that’s what’s making me reconsider my order.No different than countless other mid cycle refreshes other manufacturers have done. Significant, but it’s not a new car.
And the higher price only helps if people buy it. the fandom with this company that they surely will, for a few months anyway. 2023 might be a dark hear
Slower at max attack, sure. I'd bet the Long Range is every bit as quick as the old Performance when not doing a standing start. Lighter, same approximate power output, better cooling. Looks like it just won't have the power-dump capability the Ludicrous mode/launch mode had because the battery is smaller
Wondering what will happen to my existing performance reservation for $92k. No texts yet and it seems everyone on here had a LR reservation.
I'm stuck between a much slower car or a $24k increase to plaid.