TheTalkingMule
Distributed Energy Enthusiast
Illegal migrant workers aren't the reason experienced car factory workers make $12.60/hr.
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Yes, that's globalization and bad trade policies. Germany seems to find a way to protect its factory workers with tariffs.
The President doesn't control H1-B visa law.
And Obama doesn't make health care policy but was instrumental in getting ACA done.
Trump was ready to pass DACA if Congress could get immigration passed last year.
JRP3
Hyperactive Member
You said there were no conversations, I said that was untrue, and you then said there were conversations, so you agree that your initial statement was untrue, making my statement completely accurate.
The opioid crisis isn't helped by the economic conditions among whites with poor educations, but over prescription of opioids is fueling it too. A lot of illegal opioid users started with a prescription after an injury.
Immigrants from 3rd world countries are doing the work native born Americans don't want to do. How many unemployed white people are willing to pick lettuce? When Georgia passed a law tough on illegal immigrants, they had big losses in the agricultural sector because of a labor shortage:
The Law Of Unintended Consequences: Georgia's Immigration Law Backfires
Get the unemployed to pick crops, clean hotel rooms, and mow lawns and there would be little room for illegals in the economy. Illegals can only get work because there are jobs those born here are unwilling to do.
Many unemployed white people in the Rust Belt and other parts of their country did lose their jobs to foreigners, but they were foreigners who never set foot in this country. They are workers in other countries making the things that used to be made here at a cheaper price. It's not immigrants they are competing with, it's workers in China and Bangladesh.
dc_h
Active Member
Agreed! I think eliminating gerrymandering is the key. It’s a denial of one person one vote. Make districts as compact as possible and force candidates to fight for votes among voters that should have common economic interests. Some big dem states might help their national party by breaking up. Three Californias with a centrist south, conservative valley center and liberal north would change congress and give their voters much more power.
dc_h
Active Member
More money for job training is needed, but also more incentives to move. Some regions are too sparsely populated to support a complex service and industrial economy. Germany’s small towns all seem to have some industry, but the country is so much more compact, transport from small towns is not as big a deal. States like West Virginia also have low property ownership and school systems that are built to route kids into coal and other dying industries. Somehow we need to restore confidence in an enlightened government, and be a more enlightened government. It’s not as bad as many would have us believe, who encourage us to throw out the baby with the bath water. Immigration has always filled voids that natives don’t want to enter. Chinese and Irish built the continental railroad and today engineering jobs are filled by foreigners to fill our math gap, as well as ag and tourism jobs Americans don’t want.
Opioid use has followed every war since the civil war and has been made much worse by pill farms. Appropriate long term use can be debated, but I don’t think there’re valid arguments for pill farm doctors prescribing millions of pills. Moving all drug abuse to a regulation and treatment regime from a war on drug users and eliminate the financial incentives for scum doctors and big opioid pharma profiting off of death and mayhem would be more effective.
lolachampcar
Well-Known Member
Congress' approval rating was low (sub 10%???) prior to Trump. Those who are voting are not making wise hiring decisions. Yes, gerrymandering is a problem. There are many more problems. The root cause is our hiring practices and the incentives we provide. Get everyone together (all voters) to fix that problem and curing the disease eliminates a myriad of symptoms.
MikeQ
Member
It just shows how much people hated the Clintons (specifically Hillary).
bhtooefr
Active Member
Don't even have districts, IMO, in the House, instead use a proportional list system applied nationally (I've detailed elsewhere how that could be manageable on a national scale).
Doing proportional voting for House seats nationally would require a Constitutional Amendment. The only countries that do this are fairly small. It could easily lead to some small states having no representatives in the House at all. I think it's a non-starter in the current House and probably a non-starter in almost half the state legislatures.
bhtooefr
Active Member
So, OK, I'll go into how my variation of a list system works - it all but guarantees that every state has some representation.
Each state's parties will construct a list of candidates through the primary election - ideally nine candidates would be selected, although some states may not have nine candidates for a party, and some states may want to have more candidates in case of that scenario.
Then, in the general election, each state will report their vote totals for each party. The total national vote for each party determines the allocation of seats - if the Democrats get 45% of the vote, they'll get 45% of the seats.
The variation comes in in how those seats are filled. The state that had the highest percentage of the vote for Democrats gets their top candidate off of their list into a seat, proceeding through all 50 states in order of vote percentage for that party. Once that is complete, the process repeats for second picks, so on, until all seats are filled or all candidates for all states are exhausted. (If candidates are exhausted, the seats remain empty.) As long as a party receives 50/435 (11.49%) of the vote, each state is guaranteed to send at least one representative from that party if they nominated one for that party.
Each state's parties will construct a list of candidates through the primary election - ideally nine candidates would be selected, although some states may not have nine candidates for a party, and some states may want to have more candidates in case of that scenario.
Then, in the general election, each state will report their vote totals for each party. The total national vote for each party determines the allocation of seats - if the Democrats get 45% of the vote, they'll get 45% of the seats.
The variation comes in in how those seats are filled. The state that had the highest percentage of the vote for Democrats gets their top candidate off of their list into a seat, proceeding through all 50 states in order of vote percentage for that party. Once that is complete, the process repeats for second picks, so on, until all seats are filled or all candidates for all states are exhausted. (If candidates are exhausted, the seats remain empty.) As long as a party receives 50/435 (11.49%) of the vote, each state is guaranteed to send at least one representative from that party if they nominated one for that party.
TheTalkingMule
Distributed Energy Enthusiast
If the US did as good of a job as Germany, there's be no manufacturing jobs for the rest of the Americas. Same with China and the rest of Asia. It's a zero-sum game when technology can do as much as it can today. We simply don't need nearly the droves of worker bees we did just 40 years ago.
dc_h
Active Member
She thought she was Jackie O’ to Bill’s JFK, but she was Ed Meese to Bill’s Great Communicator.
lolachampcar
Well-Known Member
Cutting off nose to spite the face. We really do need to attract better people to the positions as the ones we are getting are getting progressively worse. I'm really not sure how we can out do ourselves this next cycle as the last was epic (in the bad way).
JRP3
Hyperactive Member
Bill was quite popular, could have won a third term, would have beaten Trump.
Not anymore. They can't even fill a room.
https://www.groupon.com/deals/gl-lnc-the-clintons-seattle-2019
Bill and Hillary Clinton selling discounted tickets on Groupon after sparse crowds on speaking tour
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