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When the embassy was attacked, I had a very bad feeling that this was going to spin out of control very fast. Iran is a very different opponent from Iraq or Afghanistan. Iran has planned very complex defenses against air strikes. They have one of the best anti-aircraft defense networks in the world.

The US currently has two carriers at sea. Historically, that's low. Usually half are at sea at a time, but they got over used during the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, so they were mostly down for maintenance a year ago. Only two are in drydock right now, but most are in or near port. The Truman is in the North Arabian sea right now.

The Iranians have a strategy to take out US carriers. Loss of a CVN would be very bad, both politically and environmentally. Nuclear subs have been sunk due to accident, but no nuclear powered ship has ever been lost due to an act of war. Who knows what kind of damage the reactor would suffer in the sinking.

My SO thinks this is a wag the dog situation. It could just be that these guys are such fricking idiots they don't have a clue about cause and effect in world politics.

A major war in the Gulf could shut down all oil output from Gulf and cause oil prices to skyrocket. OK for those of us driving electric cars and it could increase demand for electrics, but it would be very bad for the economy. That probably won't help the Republicans in 2020.
 
When the embassy was attacked, I had a very bad feeling that this was going to spin out of control very fast. Iran is a very different opponent from Iraq or Afghanistan. Iran has planned very complex defenses against air strikes. They have one of the best anti-aircraft defense networks in the world.

The US currently has two carriers at sea. Historically, that's low. Usually half are at sea at a time, but they got over used during the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, so they were mostly down for maintenance a year ago. Only two are in drydock right now, but most are in or near port. The Truman is in the North Arabian sea right now.

The Iranians have a strategy to take out US carriers. Loss of a CVN would be very bad, both politically and environmentally. Nuclear subs have been sunk due to accident, but no nuclear powered ship has ever been lost due to an act of war. Who knows what kind of damage the reactor would suffer in the sinking.

My SO thinks this is a wag the dog situation. It could just be that these guys are such fricking idiots they don't have a clue about cause and effect in world politics.

A major war in the Gulf could shut down all oil output from Gulf and cause oil prices to skyrocket. OK for those of us driving electric cars and it could increase demand for electrics, but it would be very bad for the economy. That probably won't help the Republicans in 2020.

Targeting a specific political or military person for murder (assassination) is considered a war crime under the Geneva Convention. Of course if the offenders are among the unconquered victors, they are not likely to be brought to trial. Nevertheless as in the case linked below, retaliations can be horrendous.

Operation Anthropoid - Wikipedia
 
No, this is just Trump carrying out Putin's policy. Read Seth Abramson's Proof of Conspiracy. Seth Abramson on Twitter

She has been following Seth Abramson since early on in this saga. She agrees he's doing Vlad's bidding in many areas, but the exact timing is a wag the dog. High oil prices and the Gulf offline helps Vlad quite a bit.
 
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im no scholar on such issues - but just giving an fyi with no intended opinion

i’ve read a couple books on middle east by robert baer, former cia and author
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particularly these three, and on topic with Iran is his book the devil we know

it shed some light on our history w/ Iran and the challenges we face.

was wondering if anyone here read any of these and general thoughts

thanks!
 
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My SO was reading her Twitter feed last night and there was a sudden switch to Biden for president. Quite a few were commenting that Biden had been their last choice among the top tier candidates, but he's the only candidate with much foreign affairs experience.

This country has some severe domestic problems and both Warren and Sanders are strong in those areas, but I still feel at least the first term of the next president will be all about trying to put the pieces back together after Trump is done shredding the world's social fabric. I wish it were something different, but Trump is probably going to leave behind a bigger mess than GW and we're still dealing with some of those problems.

The Middle East has been an eggshell walking exercise for the last 70 years. Each administration has tried to keep the peace while forwarding US interests. We can debate about the appropriateness of some of those agendas (like the agenda that led to overthrowing the legally elected president of Iran and putting the Shah in). But presidents managed to keep the place from going unstable.

GW thought he knew better (or his handlers did) and they tried a new policy that was disastrous. Obama tried to put the genie back in the bottle, but largely failed. Trump doesn't have a clue and is even worse at this game than GW. GW's people had a plan, even if it was a dumb one. Trump has no plan beyond lining his pockets.
 
Thank god for fracking! The Middle East is rapidly becoming irrelevant.

The Middle East remains relevant regarding oil as long as internal combustion engines are relevant. As the article notes, it's a global economy, and interference with Middle Eastern oil production will raise the price of oil even for Americans. The good part is that may accelerate the transition to electric vehicles. Then we can stop spending our money and blood to support Middle Eastern wars.
 
The Middle East remains relevant regarding oil as long as internal combustion engines are relevant. As the article notes, it's a global economy, and interference with Middle Eastern oil production will raise the price of oil even for Americans. The good part is that may accelerate the transition to electric vehicles. Then we can stop spending our money and blood to support Middle Eastern wars.

Oil is still traded in US dollars and that trade is what is keeping the US dollar from crashing vs other currencies. It allows the US government to borrow money to pay its bills with impunity.

If the world switched to another currency for oil trading, the US would probably face steep inflation as the dollar tanked. About the best case scenario would be the US circa 1979 (double digit inflation). The worst case would be Venezuela. I think it would be more like 1979 than Venezuela. Venezuela is basically a one horse economy and other problems. The US is a much more diverse economy.
 
Very interesting and pretty accurate read from 2012 predicting the events that would unfold in the Middle East after the US reaches a level of energy independence.......which we arguably have after the rapid expansion of domestic oil and natural gas production under the last 2 administrations combined with the lowering costs and increasing availability of renewables:

What Happens When America No Longer Needs Middle East Oil?

Some highlights from the article:
".................So there's a real possibility that Washington will go through the same East-of-Suez debate that London did in the 1960s. The Obama Administration's new Asia-Pacific military posture may be the first, tentative sign that America is losing its enthusiasm for securing Middle East oil supplies. Of course, everyone in the administration will vigorously reject any such interpretation. But just for fun, let's ask the question of who wins and who loses if America decides it's had enough of being the policeman on the beat in the Persian Gulf.

The biggest losers would be the Arab oil states grouped in the Gulf Cooperation Council, most of which are monarchies kept in power by a combination oil dollars and American military power. Despite their oil revenues, none of these countries except Saudi Arabia has the wherewithal to defend itself against military pressure from Iran if America leaves the stage -- or for that matter from Iraq, which has repeatedly laid claim to oil fields in Kuwait and other nearby states. The vacuum created by an American departure would force nations like Bahrain and Qatar to seek new military protectors, either by submitting to the influence of bigger regional powers or by reaching out to China.

The second category of losers would be the economies of East Asia, which the International Energy Agency says will be the main consumers of Persian Gulf oil in the years ahead. China, Japan, South Korea and Taiwan are heavily dependent on the flow of oil passing through the Strait of Hormuz, and yet do little to assure that flow is not disrupted by local tensions. If America pulls out of the Gulf, the nations of East Asia will either have to play a bigger military role in the Middle East, or find other sources of oil. America might have sufficient new-found reserves of fossil fuel to supply Japan and South Korea in an emergency, but concern about access to Persian Gulf oil would undoubtedly exacerbate tensions over who owns contested oil reserves in the South China Sea and elsewhere.

Israel too would likely be a big loser. Washington spends billions of dollars each year subsidizing the security of the Jewish state. The reason that isn't controversial even though Americans usually want to cut foreign aid ahead of every other type of federal spending is because it is hard to separate securing Israel from securing Middle East oil. The same U.S. military forces and programs that help protect Israel from Iranian missiles and Islamist terror groups also protect Arab oil-producing states. But if America's role in securing the oil were to wane, it would be harder to ignore the cost of defending Israel, and that might force Jerusalem to become more self-sufficient.

There would be plenty of other losers too, from the nations that depend on a steady flow of Middle East oil to stabilize global energy prices to the shippers that count on the Fifth Fleet for protection to the local companies that help sustain U.S. forces in the region. No doubt about it, a lot of players dependent on America's military presence in and around the Persian Gulf would be hurt if America went home. But there would be winners, too.

One big winner would be Iran, because it would no longer find its regional pretensions blocked by America's military. Although there are ethnic and religious differences separating Persians from their Arab neighbors on the western side of the Gulf, Iran's big population and economic resources over time could come to dominate the region. Homegrown terrorist groups might also thrive in America's absence, although Arab governments could feel freer to deal with them in the absence of American concepts about freedom and justice. The biggest winner of all, though, might be China's Peoples Liberation Army, which would have a compelling reason for extending its presence outside of East Asia in order to secure the Middle Kingdom's most important foreign sources of petroleum.

If you've stayed with me up this point, you're probably thinking something like, "Gee, this energy independence thing sure has a lot of potential downside." Well you're right -- if it becomes an excuse for pulling the joint force out of the Persian Gulf. But that doesn't mean it won't happen, because despite all the possible drawbacks, U.S. taxpayers would still benefit hugely from a scaling back of U.S. security commitments in the Middle East if that were accompanied by real self-sufficiency in energy. How much would they benefit? Potentially by a hundred billion dollars or more in annual budget savings as the military was downsized for a more limited role on the far side of the world.

If that sounds fanciful, then go read what the International Energy Agency says about America's rapidly improving energy outlook -- and try to keep in mind that the need for Persian Gulf oil is the main reason why the U.S. military showed up in the Middle East after having almost no role there for the first two centuries of the Republic's history."
 
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