If I was in her shoes, I'd offer a $100 discount to any Model 3 reservation holder.
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I tweeted @GM and asked how long the line was for the bolt reservations, they didn't respond
They were probably too busy selling the 9.9 million cars they sell every year or counting the 23B in cash that they have to respond to your tweet.
Because it is not a Tesla.
People also hate on hydrogen fuel cars even though they are not ICE. (yes, they have a long way to go, but so did all EV cars several years ago)
I think much of the hatred stems from the fact that GM is a very, very major driving force behind anti-Tesla laws that ban their sales and service centers from states.
I want EVs to succeed. I don't want GM to succeed because the less money they have, the less political influence they will wield over Tesla.
stopcrazypp
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They hate GM, not necessarily the Bolt. GM had been taking some not so subtle stabs at Tesla (saying the cars are for elites and not regular people), but the most infuriating thing is they have been actually pushing laws to block Tesla from opening stores.
GM continues to try to stifle competition
Contrast this for example reaction to the Leaf, which many people find ugly, but at the very least people here respect Nissan's efforts in EVs (given Nissan never had to resort to the tactics GM is taking).
ucmndd
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Well said. Bottom line is, GM doesn't care all that much, they're content to sit back and reap massive profits on full size trucks for the next few years while gas is cheap.
The Tesla vs. GM mentality on electric vehicles really comes down to "play to win" vs "play to play". Tesla MUST play to win. It's their only viable path forward. GM can't play to win, because that means cannibalizing their entire existing customer base and admitting that their entire existing revenue stream needs to change. So they play to play. Invest just enough to play without seriously endangering their existing business model.
The whole "those who can't innovate, legislate" is a valid criticism as well.
ModelNforNerd
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they make soft pillows to sit on. might help a little with your apparent #Butthurt problem
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3 series is volume car for BMW....Tesla 3 sales will hurt them greatly
Now, now champ. One doesn't have to be butthurt to point out facts that put something in context.
But thank you for your concern about my butt.
(not interested if that was some sort of come-on, but thanks anyway).
ModelNforNerd
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I'm just wondering where you're "drivin" to, as you appear to be lost right now. Perhaps Elon can show you a vehicle with something called AutoPilot.
Can GM?
Not sure how that is successful trolling since the Fusion sold 300k cars in the US last year and 45k in the first two months of this year.
Seems there are plenty of people who WANTS ONE.
I feel, in addition to the legal actions taken by GM, there is a question hanging in the air. "Is that the best you've got?" GM could have made a more attractive vehicle, instead they electrified a cheap looking compact. They gave it a slow charge rate, and are boasting about its superiority by taking swings at Tesla. On its own, I think the Bolt is a great addition to the small group of available BEVs, but the positives end there. I do hope the car sells all that can be produced, but in the end, it's more expensive than a model three, and most likely less of a car.
Ps, I know the 3 will rarely be sold stock, but come on. The tesla is for the elite, but is actually less expensive, really?
In response to hydrogen, as a third year engineering student, it's a scam. A very dangerous and expensive one at that. Hydrogen weakens all metals, leaks through everything, is energy intensive to produce, transport, and pump, while simultaneously being a lousy energy storage medium for transportation. The only thing going for it is the theoretically shorter refueling time. In practice, it's a cluster F.
ElectricTundra
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Sometimes it is far better to cannibalize yourself than let others do it to you.
Wow, 23B in cash. Wouldn't it be great if they used some of it to payback the 12B in losses the US and Canadian governments absorbed bailing them out? Or perhaps to compensate victims of their poor ignition-switch engineering and subsequent cover up instead of just saying, "that was the pre-bankrupt GM, we're not responsible. "
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RobStark
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And how many are the PHEV Energi version with 21 mile AER.
cough 9750 and 1573 cough
And how many are BEV with 200 plus mile range?
Hint number starts with the letter Z and ends with letter O.
All the hate, I think, is residual resentment and anger from a public who dislikes companies like GM for the crap they've pulled in the past. Elon is a charismatic leader viewed by the Tesla fans as leading the world to a sexy, sustainable promised land. GM is viewed as a cynical "me too" company building stuff only in reaction.
Also Tesla is still the only company building cars that are electric + sexy looking + drool worthy handling and technology (ie autopilot).
The Bolt has none of those things and when I see one I think to myself - "You folks at GM still just don't get it. You don't understand what people actually want."
There's no reason that I know of that the Bolt has to look so odd - just like the Leaf looks odd, the Volt looks odd, the Prius looks odd. None of them look mature, rich, attractive - Tesla has proven you can have your cake and eat it too.
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