amoney805
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Could switching gears before the car is at a complete stop cause any damage? For example, if backing out of a spot, then putting the car in DRIVE while still coasting backwards.
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MASTER THREAD: 2019.36.2.1 - new HOLD mode and other features
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Needsdecaf
Active Member
Definitely noticed this. I took my car out on a ride last night that has a LOT of stop and go, and then a faster road (45 MPH) with lights. Here are my observations.
1. When in Hold, the car feels "tight" to accelerate, as others have noticed.
2. I found it harder to modulate my speed under 30 MPH. I drive a section of road that's 20 MPH and policed, so I like to go no more than 25. I found it very hard to keep that speed constant. I found I was either going 22 or 29. It was weird. I have driven this road more or less twice a week since I got my car last year and have never had this issue.
3. As noted above, regen from like 45, 35, or 25 down to zero initially feels much weaker than normal, then kicks in strongly. I've come rolling up hot to some stops where before I rolled up nicely and then just applied the brake. Now, you have to start regenning sooner, but then when the regen kicks in stronger, almost have to go back on the gas to maintain a nice smooth roll up to the stop.
4. Turned off hold and already missed the strong regen to a stop.
So definitely a mixed review from me.
Needsdecaf
Active Member
Update on this, I found a parking lot today with a similar slope and tried to re-create. Could not get it to do so. So maybe was just something about that one location? Dunno, will keep experimenting.
Uncle Paul
Well-Known Member
Tesla has recommended against automated car washes for some of the reasons you posted. Would be hard for them to now release a car was mode...but I bet they still do it. Maybe call it something else.
The Driver profile is a great idea.
The Driver profile is a great idea.
Why not turn off Creep for a week or so and get your brain rewired to Stop and Go pedals, and more importantly, learning how to 'feather' the Go? And then switch over to Hold?
(never used Creep so it does take a bit of learning to feather the car into the garage, but if my wife can do it so can you.)
(never used Creep so it does take a bit of learning to feather the car into the garage, but if my wife can do it so can you.)
Guys,
You do know you have two (2) feet, right?
Nothing is stopping you from however two (2) feet over two (2) pedals, and applying one, or the other, as appropriate.
Or alternatively, moving one (1) foot between two pedals.
If that's too much trouble, then I guess you never learned to drive manual, so don't "Hold" it!
OK, so you are a "Creep".
You still get a hug !
DopeGhoti
Active Member
My car automagically locks itself, and leaves everything locked until I open a door from the inside or press the unlock button.
I'm still wondering, OP, what's so off-putting about putting the car in Neutral, especially if it's a "ride-along" car wash?
navguy12
Active Member
With no music playing and HVAC on lowest fan speed, the quiet cabin is now disturbed by a single "click" as (I assume) the Bosch iBooster applies pressure to the hydraulic brake system just prior to a dead stop.
No "click" is heard when I use the brake pedal to come to a dead stop.
I've just noticed this with this new hold mode, but realized it also does this when in autopilot and in stop and go traffic on a freeway.
No "click" is heard when I use the brake pedal to come to a dead stop.
I've just noticed this with this new hold mode, but realized it also does this when in autopilot and in stop and go traffic on a freeway.
Just call it Wash mode. Even if spray washing a car, having a mode where it'd zip it up tight could be helpful.
muleferg
Active Member
I had to replace my front end clip on my 2016 X. it jumped the track. they paid for the repair. I will never go to a push thru wash again.
DopeGhoti
Active Member
I think it was in Settings -> Controls -> Locks; if I recall I have 'Unock on Park' set to Off.
WilliamG
Hinge Fanatic
That makes no sense. I’d suggest testing again.
Daniel in SD
(supervised)
Yeah, that would work great if I learned to drive that way. My brain is now calcified though!Guys,
You do know you have two (2) feet, right?
Nothing is stopping you from however two (2) feet over two (2) pedals, and applying one, or the other, as appropriate.
Or alternatively, moving one (1) foot between two pedals.
If that's too much trouble, then I guess you never learned to drive manual, so don't "Hold" it!
Arguably everyone learning to drive now should left foot brake.
Using my left foot to brake with a manual transmission would be extremely difficult for me. How would I push in the clutch when coming to a stop? Heel toe?
WilliamG
Hinge Fanatic
It was/is considered bad form to use your left foot for braking because of our puny human brains, pressing both at the same time and getting confused etc etc. Historically it was bad for the car - transmission etc, but with electric cars that's not so much an issue. If you can do it, in an electric car, safely, then no reason not to. The car does warn you if you press both pedals at the same time.
RayK
Active Member
An update to the clicking-on-stop sound...
Okay, so I took the car out yesterday on 1) a quiet street, 2) with both the radio and A/C off and 3) the windows rolled up. Yes, I do hear a <very soft tongue-clicking> when Hold mode is engaged and the car comes to a complete stop. Maybe it's my hearing but take away any one of the three things I just mentioned and I don't notice the sound.
Okay, so I took the car out yesterday on 1) a quiet street, 2) with both the radio and A/C off and 3) the windows rolled up. Yes, I do hear a <very soft tongue-clicking> when Hold mode is engaged and the car comes to a complete stop. Maybe it's my hearing but take away any one of the three things I just mentioned and I don't notice the sound.
lampcord
Member
Years ago I was driving a go-cart at the state fair. Never went fast enough to need to brake. At the end when I was parking the cart I reached for the brake with my right foot only to find to my horror there was a barrier between the left and right footwells and you can't right foot brake. I had a momentary panic until I remembered, oh yeah, I can brake with my left foot.
Funny how years of conditioning can make a simple thing so hard.
I used it today for the first time and I also noticed this click. You can also feel it a bit in your pedal when it comes to a full stop and the (H) appears on the screen.
Ok, the radio was very silent and the AC too but I am surprised how these kind of clicks do can be a bit annoying.
Sorry this may have been asked before but for the update did they split the Creep function:
From Creep (ON/OFF)
To Creep (On) or Roll (Creep Off)?
I have a different recollection of the previous HOLD process:
My recall was that you applied the brakes to stop & exerted an extra press of the brakes to activate HOLD.
vs.
New HOLD where you brake > car stops > HOLD is automatically applied.
From Creep (ON/OFF)
To Creep (On) or Roll (Creep Off)?
I have a different recollection of the previous HOLD process:
My recall was that you applied the brakes to stop & exerted an extra press of the brakes to activate HOLD.
vs.
New HOLD where you brake > car stops > HOLD is automatically applied.
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DopeGhoti
Active Member
The three current options are:
Creep: Behaves like a traditional automatic transmission vehicle. If you deeply depress the brake whilst stopped, you will toggle Hold mode on and off.
Roll: Behaves like "Creep Off" used to: as the car decelerates to a near-stop, it will begin to freewheel at and below about 5KPH. If you brake to a stop, the car automagically enters Hold mode.
Hold: The new mode with fully one-pedal-driving. The car will decelerate as with Roll mode, but will actively brake to a stop and engage Hold once stopped.
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