MASTER THREAD: 2019.40.2 - FSD AutoSteer Stop Sign Warning and Adjacent Lane Speeds

[eab6287]

Is anyone clear on whether new traffic light and stop sign features require HW3? This is a grey area bc I would think EAP should include traffic light recognition since there are lights on some highways, but I could see them claiming that NoA is only designed to address limited access highways without traffic lights.

 

[North75]

Like everyone is saying. Swaying back and forth heavily but great lane changes. I haven’t had an abort yet like previous versions. Even with the little bump things we have here in Vegas on the highways, they usually make the car abort but it’s been bitter smooth since this update.

Also appreciating the faster charge rate for us SR+ owners

It has seemed to me with past updates that the swaying always seems a little worse at first and then gets better. I wonder if there are some kind of dynamic control loop tuning that has to get figured out each time.

(Or perhaps I just get used to it each time)

 

[diezel_dave]

That's not true.

There's 2 situations with driver assist options, neither of which fits what you describe:


EAP- In which case adding FSD adds nothing right now. EAP includes all of it.


The new post-Feb-2019 basic AP- In which case you have no features other than TACC and Autosteer. everything else (NoA, summon, auto-park, auto-lane change) require FSD.



So the only way your car can do everything he listed (which included lane changing) if you don't have FSD is if you have EAP. And if you have EAP you also would have summon and NoA.

I should have been more clear. They said "curious if this firmware will give me the adjacent lane speed adjustment, stop sign recognition, etc. or if I’ll only get improved lane change. " To which I meant to respond that my car does not have FSD and I still have adjacent lane speed adjustment, stop sign recognition, etc. but I missed the part where it said "or if I’ll only get improved lane change" which of course a car without FSD does not do.

Edit: Basically, I was going off the context of new features that were recently added with 40.2.X

 

[Knightshade]

Is anyone clear on whether new traffic light and stop sign features require HW3?

The current features (BIG WARNING YOU ARE ABOUT TO RUN THROUGH THIS BUT I WILL NOT STOP YOU) does not require FSD.

Actually responding to those things and stopping for them are explicitly listed as FSD only features "coming soon"

And we know FSD will require HW3 for full features (that's why HW3 exists- and why FSD owners will get it free if they don't already have it)

 

[jdcollins5]

Has anyone with HW 2.5 and EAP been able to verify the Stop Light Warning? I have verified the Stop Light Warning but have not been able to get the Stop Sign Warning?

 

[diezel_dave]

Has anyone with HW 2.5 and EAP been able to verify the Stop Light Warning? I have verified the Stop Light Warning but have not been able to get the Stop Sign Warning?

My theory is that the stop sign warning is less likely to work in rural areas where map data may not accurately record the stop sign locations. There are several stop signs around me that it does not work on that are on random surface streets but it does seem to work on more major streets that must just be present in the map data that the car uses for confirmation before displaying the warning.

 

[ngogas]

I’m confused. These signs detection only works when autopilot is engaged. But you don’t want to engage it off freeway so why does it matter at this point?

 

[mtndrew1]

I’m confused. These signs detection only works when autopilot is engaged. But you don’t want to engage it off freeway so why does it matter at this point?

I use autopilot daily on city streets.

 

[ngogas]

I use autopilot daily on city streets.

that’s frowned upon. Lol

 

[mtndrew1]

that’s frowned upon. Lol

For what reason? It works beautifully.

 

[hari-bhari]

Anyone feel like acceleration and braking is more jerky in traffic? I actually just disabled AP and drove manually because the acceleration and braking to keep up with the car in front of me was getting to be uncomfortable. This was between 3-10mph. Last version was smoother for sure in this regard.

 

[hari-bhari]

My car now drives kind of drunk at high speed and has lurchy behavior at low speed in slow and go traffic.

The car now does a million little accel/decel actions when a simple coasting would have sufficed. It was sort of like this before but has been amplified with this firmware. I tried chill mode but it made no difference.

Laterally the car moves side to side in a wobbly way that it didn’t on the previous firmware. It’s almost like it’s repeatedly trying to find apexes in gentle corners and keeps overshooting them.

The new lane changes are absolutely incredible.

definitely finding the new accel and decel to be a bit too agressive in traffic.

 

[ngogas]

For what reason? It works beautifully.

read the manual. But whatever floats your boat. I don’t give a hoot what you do. Lol

 

[jdcollins5]

read the manual. But whatever floats your boat. I don’t give a hoot what you do. Lol

The only thing missing for full driving on city streets is Stop Light/Sign detection. Everything else has been working fine for some time now. I use it all of the time.

 

[Knightshade]

The only thing missing for full driving on city streets is Stop Light/Sign detection. Everything else has been working fine for some time now. I use it all of the time.

Also missing:

Understanding what a turn lane is.

Or an intersection.

Or a yield sign.

Or oncoming traffic.

Or cross traffic.

Or speed bumps.

Or roundabouts.

Or being aware of time-restricted speed zones (like around schools).

This list could get pretty long actually...

So basically everything relevant to city streets is missing.


Probably why the manual explicitly points out the system is only intended for use on limited access divided highways huh?

 

[jdcollins5]

Also missing:

Understanding what a turn lane is.

Or an intersection.

Or a yield sign.

Or oncoming traffic.

Or cross traffic.

Or speed bumps.

Or roundabouts.

Or being aware of time-restricted speed zones (like around schools).


So basically everything relevant to city streets is missing.


Probably why the manual explicitly points out the system is only intended for use on limited access divided highways huh?

To each his own! I have no problem knowing what the limitations are.

 

[angelman]

late to the party but I just got the upgrade last night. Once again a dramatic improvement in autopilot. The lane changing is so much better it's uncanny. In medium and heavy traffic on the freeway it was changing lanes like a champ, really felt as if I was driving. It seemed less jerky in slow stop and go traffic though that needs further testing. I do think that slow driving is an area autopilot still needs work. 5mph driving in traffic can get very jerky, especially when it puts on the brakes very sharply. In the previous firmware, there were areas on the freeway with extra wide lanes where the car started weaving around, I will have to see if it still does that. There is also a small tunnel/underpass on the freeway where the car seemed to think the speed limit suddenly had to change to 55mph instead of 65 and would slow down for no reason, need to see if that's fixed. Still incredible work how they are making so much progress so fast.

 

[Knightshade]

To each his own! I have no problem knowing what the limitations are.

Understood.

But that doesn't prevent the tons of threads where people who are using it that way without understanding it's not actually intended to work there complaining about how the car is "phantom" braking when oncoming traffic turns in front of them and the like.... all things that are user error, not vehicle error.

See also the 2 idiots who died by using autopilot on a road with cross-traffic, again some place it's not intended to be used at all.

 

[jdcollins5]

Also missing:

Understanding what a turn lane is.

Or an intersection.

Or a yield sign.

Or oncoming traffic.

Or cross traffic.

Or speed bumps.

Or roundabouts.

Or being aware of time-restricted speed zones (like around schools).

This list could get pretty long actually...

So basically everything relevant to city streets is missing.


Probably why the manual explicitly points out the system is only intended for use on limited access divided highways huh?

‘Were AP and NoA perfected before you used them?

 

[jdcollins5]

Understood.

But that doesn't prevent the tons of threads where people who are using it that way without understanding it's not actually intended to work there complaining about how the car is "phantom" braking when oncoming traffic turns in front of them and the like.... all things that are user error, not vehicle error.

See also the 2 idiots who died by using autopilot on a road with cross-traffic, again some place it's not intended to be used at all.

Understood and agree with those that do not fully understand how it works. I fully understand I am using it at my risk.