MASTER THREAD: 2021 Model 3 and differences from 2020

[quietblade]

Range compare:

 

[Mash]

Hm, 10-15% is a big range difference. City speed will be even more...

 

[freeAgent]

I wish someone would run a head-to-head noise test using a controlled environment. It shouldn't be that hard. Just get a garage, put some speakers in it, and play the same music/noise at the same volume from the same speakers back to back with the doors closed while measuring with a decibel meter in the car. This eliminates inconsistencies from road testing including noise from vibration/equipment movement as well as differences in traffic, speed, weather, etc. I don't trust any of the road tests I've seen to produce reliable results.

 

[kxts]

Just picked up a 2021 LR in the US on Saturday...now I’m curious how large my battery is. Sounds like I should get an OBD device so I can run SMT. Also seems like the German folks get more data in their paperwork than we do.

I’m planning to drive about 315 miles round-trip from Portland to Sisters next weekend. Seems like a good opportunity to do a real-world range test from 100%. Weather here in Oregon is a bit chilly but with the heat pump maybe it’ll make it the whole way. There are enough charging stations along I-5 to go charge at the last minute if it can’t make it all the way back.

Edit: The Monroney sticker on my car does indicate 353 miles of range, for what that’s worth.

 

[MJP.P3D-]

Just picked up a 2021 LR in the US on Saturday...now I’m curious how large my battery is. Sounds like I should get an OBD device so I can run SMT. Also seems like the German folks get more data in their paperwork than we do.

I’m planning to drive about 315 miles round-trip from Portland to Sisters next weekend. Seems like a good opportunity to do a real-world range test from 100%. Weather here in Oregon is a bit chilly but with the heat pump maybe it’ll make it the whole way. There are enough charging stations along I-5 to go charge at the last minute if it can’t make it all the way back.

Edit: The Monroney sticker on my car does indicate 353 miles of range, for what that’s worth.

@kxts Congratulations! Share a pic when you get a chance and please report back with your findings, whatever they may be, post trip. Stay safe. MJP

 

[Mark57]

now I’m curious how large my battery is.

I can't find it now, but there is a quick video here that shows a plate on the frame with the battery size info inside of the passenger front wheel towards the center. If you look behind the passenger tire towards the center of the vehicle it's towards the bottom of the frame. Easier to see if the wheels are turned to the left.

There's another plate under the Frunk plastic cover.

 

[TimothyHW3]

Sounds like I should get an OBD device so I can run SMT.

Which country are you in? Def get the SMT OBD adapter. It seems there are 3 variants in the wild: 77.8kWh old version, 77.8kWh new version(probably with a bit more top buffer) and a 74.5 kWh LG version that seems to supercharge very slow. I think by supercharging on a V3 or 200kW charger you will be able to recognize which one you have. The Pana ones can go to about 100kW to about 60% whereas the LG ones go below that pretty fast, at 35% or so.

http://img.suv666.com/mcn/news/article/b200b7293ea33f60aaf1b06101a0f6d5.jpeg-690x

10-80% Pana 25 mins
10-80% LG about 37mins

 

[kxts]

Which country are you in? Def get the SMT OBD adapter. It seems there are 3 variants in the wild: 77.8kWh old version, 77.8kWh new version(probably with a bit more top buffer) and a 74.5 kWh LG version that seems to supercharge very slow. I think by supercharging on a V3 or 200kW charger you will be able to recognize which one you have. The Pana ones can go to about 100kW to about 60% whereas the LG ones go below that pretty fast, at 35% or so.

http://img.suv666.com/mcn/news/article/b200b7293ea33f60aaf1b06101a0f6d5.jpeg-690x

10-80% Pana 25 mins
10-80% LG about 37mins

I’m in the US. Just ordered an OBD adapter (the OHP Tools one) and will report back when I have that.

Thanks for the additional info, that’s very helpful. I’ll supercharge for the first time next weekend and will aim to use a V3 charger so I can see if it matches one of those charging curves.

I wonder if the LG batteries just haven’t had enough testing yet for Tesla to be confident they can safely charge at a faster rate. Hopefully Tesla will update them to a faster charging rate sometime down the road when they have more data.

 

[kxts]

I can't find it now, but there is a quick video here that shows a plate on the frame with the battery size info inside of the passenger front wheel towards the center. If you look behind the passenger tire towards the center of the vehicle it's towards the bottom of the frame. Easier to see if the wheels are turned to the left.

There's another plate under the Frunk plastic cover.

I saw that video but my car does not have a plate in the wheel well (checked the driver side too.) I’ll try to disassemble my frunk this weekend to see if I have a plate there.

 

[TimothyHW3]

supercharge for the first time next weekend and will aim to use a V3 charger so I can see if it matches one of those charging curves.

Make sure to preheat the car good, try preheating within the app with car closed for an hour.
You need this adapter with a Bluetooth OBD reader
Tesla Adapters Archives | GPSTrackingAmerica.com

 

[kxts]

Make sure to preheat the car good, try preheating within the app with car closed for an hour.
You need this adapter with a Bluetooth OBD reader
Tesla Adapters Archives | GPSTrackingAmerica.com

Got it, thanks. I found a similar adapter on Amazon and picked up a Veepeak OBD device to go with it. (Seems like a lot of folks recommend the $100 OBDLink MX+, but I suspect the $40 Veepeak will be sufficient for my needs...maybe slower update rate?)

 

[TimothyHW3]

$100 OBDLink MX+, but I suspect the $40 Veepeak will be sufficient

Which device do you plan to install smt on, ios or Android? I think Android is more forgiving, but iOS requires the MX+. Not sure if true, just read it somewhere.

 

[kxts]

Which device do you plan to install smt on, ios or Android? I think Android is more forgiving, but iOS requires the MX+. Not sure if true, just read it somewhere.

iOS. Sounds like some folks have had luck with this adapter with iOS, but if it doesn’t work it’s an easy return to Amazon and then I can order the MX+ if needed.

 

[mpegripper]

That is gone since last year. I bought lights themselves to install, but have no time for that

does this means the slot and connections are there, just no physical light in the housing?

 

[EV Promoter]

There is one with 535km/332 miles, but there is also one with the bigger battery showing 545-550km extrapolated to 100%

I do confirm (EU car) the same 535km/332 miles, extrapolated from 80% and 56% SOC, remaining constant. Update 2020.44.25.
Temperatures ranging btw 15° and 7° Celsius, which doesn't seem to make a difference in the reading.
I'll believe in the 550km when i'll see it.

I suspect much whining will ensue when the USA folks start getting their 2021 LR cars and not seeing 353 miles. Seriously though, how can Tesla advertise 353 miles with the battery lottery that's supposedly going on, and especially when some might actually see 353 miles and some seeing 332.

332 miles is the EPA result of the 2-cycle test
353 miles is the EPA result of the 5-cycle test
I don't believe will be any battery lottery, you'll see 332 miles.

But the US LR 2021 are already delivered, included @kxts that could give a reading, rather than the Monroney sticker.

First noise test between a 2020 and 2021 I've seen. As I suspected, the double pane glass makes no difference, at least at the speeds tested. It might make some difference to reduce wind noise at higher speeds, but I think much of the loudness from the Model 3 comes from road noise.

I've tested my 2021 LR just up to 110 km/h - 70 mph on a short stretch with speed limit and i can say i'm impressed by the silence and the absence of any aerodynamic noise whatsoever.
An intermittent whine at intermediate speed coming from the motors is a bit irritating, but i don't think is a new one...

 

[countbasey]

Is there a wider conversation on the battery issues with LG packs not supercharging? i am concerned about putting in an order now and potentially getting permanently slower supercharging based on a random battery pack choice from the factory. Can we isolate whether it is random or not, whether waiting for more information to emerge creates a greater chance of getting an LG pack due to more in circulation and whether it will ever be on par with panasonic in the future?

 

[TimothyHW3]

believe in the 550km when i'll see it.

I think there was a guy with 539 or 540. Maybe try testing the 100%?, thank you. Do you have smaller 74.5kWh battery or the bigger one?

 

[srk67]

Are the LG packs only Europe?

 

[TimothyHW3]

the LG packs only Europe?

That is the 1$ Million question.

 

[kxts]

I do confirm (EU car) the same 535km/332 miles, extrapolated from 80% and 56% SOC, remaining constant. Update 2020.44.25.
Temperatures ranging btw 15° and 7° Celsius, which doesn't seem to make a difference in the reading.
I'll believe in the 550km when i'll see it.



332 miles is the EPA result of the 2-cycle test
353 miles is the EPA result of the 5-cycle test
I don't believe will be any battery lottery, you'll see 332 miles.

But the US LR 2021 are already delivered, included @kxts that could give a reading, rather than the Monroney sticker.

I thought I had mentioned it in this thread but I didn’t.

I’m seeing 274 miles at 79% currently, so extrapolates to 347 miles. Lowest I’ve been so far is 73% (251 miles), extrapolates to 344 miles. Temps around 40 - 50F.

I’ll report back with some better data after I go on that road trip on Sunday. Need to get a new socket wrench as well so I can disassemble my frunk and look for a battery sticker.