like depicted here New Autopilot disruption observation [Model 3 | AP 2.5 v. 2019.12.1.2 5c87371]What do you mean by that? Would you elaborate?
and in countless other threads about same behavior.
or here Warning on Firmware Update 2019.8.6 Fail
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like depicted here New Autopilot disruption observation [Model 3 | AP 2.5 v. 2019.12.1.2 5c87371]What do you mean by that? Would you elaborate?
The lights don't always go on when it's grey outside (maybe that feature is broken, who knows). There are other function that the driver needs to do while looking at the bottom of the screen, like turning on heated seats for passengers on the back, launching the phone app, etc. - all take longer than a quick glance at a text message on a phone, which is a proven cause of accidents.- Honestly, I have never had the need to turn on/off the headlights of my Tesla. It's on automatic. Any reason the manual setting along with a manual button is better?
- The touchscreen might be dangerous if it's designed to operate as such, but not necessarily so. The currently required extra clicks has obvious adverse safety factors but an intuitive and an easy to function UI is no more dangerous than using the manual buttons. Don't you think?
On my wife's 2017 car it took over 6 months to get it to turn on the lights automatically, longer for automatic wipers to start. I got sold on blind spot monitoring, 691hp and other stuff for my 2015 Model S which was supposed to come over OTA but which will never come. You say many manufacturers ship unfinished cars, like who? Really, who? Considering there are very few auto manufacturers in the world, many would mean most I guess. Example of such cars would be appreciated.- Many car manufacturers ship unfinished products. The OTA feature is a great idea if it goes through a decent QA, which is often lacking (which, as you correctly have stated, includes being forced to apply a code update designed for the faster processors).
like depicted here New Autopilot disruption observation [Model 3 | AP 2.5 v. 2019.12.1.2 5c87371]
and in countless other threads about same behavior.
or here Warning on Firmware Update 2019.8.6 Fail
The lights don't always go on when it's grey outside (maybe that feature is broken, who knows). There are other function that the driver needs to do while looking at the bottom of the screen, like turning on heated seats for passengers on the back, launching the phone app, etc. - all take longer than a quick glance at a text message on a phone, which is a proven cause of accidents.
On my wife's 2017 car it took over 6 months to get it to turn on the lights automatically, longer for automatic wipers to start. I got sold on blind spot monitoring, 691hp and other stuff for my 2015 Model S which was supposed to come over OTA but which will never come. You say many manufacturers ship unfinished cars, like who? Really, who? Considering there are very few auto manufacturers in the world, many would mean most I guess. Example of such cars would be appreciated.
By unfinished means it doesn't work well or at all on delivery day, and won't work until some future over the air update with no deadlines backed by some guarantee (like money back if we can't make it work in 2 years, or even extending bumper to bumper warranty until all paid for features are complete). Also, I should get the paid for features without having to accept new features or lack thereof (like updates which break with updates, such as browser).Your earlier post stated "Stay away from cars which require over-the-air updates - allows the manufacturer to ship unfinished product".
May be then I did not fully understand what you meant by the word "unfinished".
I tend to believe this could (at least partially) be true.(snip)QA might primarily be Elon driving to work. If Elon doesn't see it on his morning commute...(snip)
Sorry man, the issues get old after a while because they keep repeating the same mistakes over and over again. So I couldn't disagree more. OTA software updates encourages buggy software, that's life now.
You say many manufacturers ship unfinished cars, like who? Really, who? Considering there are very few auto manufacturers in the world, many would mean most I guess. Example of such cars would be appreciated.
By unfinished means it doesn't work well or at all on delivery day, and won't work until some future over the air update with no deadlines backed by some guarantee (like money back if we can't make it work in 2 years, or even extending bumper to bumper warranty until all paid for features are complete). Also, I should get the paid for features without having to accept new features or lack thereof (like updates which break with updates, such as browser).
By unfinished means it doesn't work well or at all on delivery day, and won't work until some future over the air update with no deadlines backed by some guarantee (like money back if we can't make it work in 2 years, or even extending bumper to bumper warranty until all paid for features are complete). Also, I should get the paid for features without having to accept new features or lack thereof (like updates which break with updates, such as browser).
A Lexus was never released with buggy software. Ever.They don't though. You didn't get my point. Both my 2 Ford's and a VW had buggy software.... but they also had no way (or desire) to correct it. I agree that Tesla seems to rush updates out without thorough testing, but at least they're willing to support and correct most of the cars they have on the road versus their competition. The OTA updates don't encourage buggy software, that exists regardless.
A Lexus was never released with buggy software. Ever.
Luckily for us, Tesla being so amazingly open platform, you can just fix it yourself by adjusting audio thread priority so it is no longer preempted by the cpu-hungry traffic drawing threads and such. /sOne thing I didn’t see mentioned in this post is this same issue not only shows itself as an unusable browser, but is driving many of us crazy with skipping and stuttering streaming music. I can use the same tricks previously mentioned to get it to stop. Mainly the sketchpad is my workaround of choice. Some days the music almost useless to try and listen to.
This being covered by some other threads.
Good info, I stopped buying in 2011, before that, no bugs.Ever? Look here: lexus software bugs - Google Search
Whatever reasons anyone is unhappy with their purchase then sell the car and move on. We all know Tesla is a new company and they will have issues like everyone else. Be patient or sell the car and quit complaining.
What you are describing is just companies releasing crappy product, not selling you unfinished (or completely missing) features and telling you it's coming in an update "soon". You could see the crappy VW radio on delivery day. VW didn't tell you the radio was magically going to get better later. You could see how crappy Frod Sync was, etc, etc. With Tesla you buy features which don't exist. You might like the UI when you buy the car, then later an update screws it all up, and you have to install it - no option to keep old. That's the difference.You may have missed my examples upthread. My wife's VW had the dreaded RNS-510 stereo. Go to VWVortex forum and do a search for RNS-510 and you'll see how flipping terrible the thing was. Literally took about 60 seconds to change a radio station because the thing was so slow and unresponsive. I even asked them to replace the stereo with the more modern RNS radio, but unless I wanted to drop $1200 fo a new stereo, it wasn't an option. That was in a Passat TDi. Of course we all know what happened to VW's emission software... it was deliberately "buggy" to say the least.
I also had the Ford Sync v1 in my Taurus SHO. Slow, buggy, barely did what it was supposed to do. I kept asking Ford when they were going to release a software update for it (it had the capability), and they kept telling me to be patient. I had that car for 3 years, and never got the update... why? It was so terrible they had to replace it with the Sync MyFordTouch v2. So I got rid of the Taurus and got a Fusion with the MFT v2. I was excited because everywhere I read said that this time Ford was going to release regular updates with bug fixes and new features. In 3 years of owning that car, I got 1 update. It added backup lines to the rearview camera and fixed some bugs. It definitely created new bugs... mainly broke the bluetooth. They were working on the fix, but alas, never came out with it. Why? Because they decided to go a different route and develop Sync v3. They finally told me just to trade my car in for a new one.
Those are just my personal experiences. This is not limited to Tesla for sure. The main difference is that Tesla has a strong interest in improving their cars even after the sale, as well as fixing the things they break, albeit slowly.
what's the function name in question btw? (to same me time searching for it)
Luckily for us, Tesla being so amazingly open platform, you can just fix it yourself by adjusting audio thread priority so it is no longer preempted by the cpu-hungry traffic drawing threads and such. /s