Wasted my time clicking on that link.
By that definition Tesla is already L5 (in my driveway)
By that definition Tesla is already L5 (in my driveway)
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Mercedes approved for ACTUAL self driving in the USA. And will accept responsibility.
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Tesla is not L3, L4 or L5 anywhere. Not in your driveway or garage. Tesla has to state explicitly that their system is L5.
Tam
Well-Known Member
Many people have been doing summons with no problems, but there are also many reports of damages even on their driveway:
Soul Surfer
Cancervivor, tech geek & musician
All the people desperate for L3 but also must drive 80+MPH are in for a treat. L3 will not allow you to drive faster than the posted speed limit. You have no control over the car in L3, the car is in total control until it needs to pass it back to you.
Filing for a permit is not an accomplishment worthy of news, the hard part isn't getting the permit, the hard part isn't the hardware, the hard part is 100% writing the software.
On the 405 in Los Angeles, 37mph is speeding
Correct...and since Nevada is (still) located within the USA, it makes them:
"...the first automaker to receive such approval in the U.S."
Germany has just increased the speed limitation to 130 km/h (80 mph). Most likely this happened after consultations with the major German manufacturers and we will soon see cars going that speed with L3.
MrBadger
Badger out
Its probably the UNECE R157 change, so global harmonised regs for those that choose to adopt them, ie not US. I'm not sure how the European regs work with the UNECE ones - if like UK, we follow UNECE and/or now our own regs rather than European regs, so I guess Europe may have their own regs in addition to UNECE ones? In UK, car needs to meet type approval for either UNECE and/or UK regs, then be on a list of approved vehicles meeting the L3 type approval, of which, at time of writing, there is none, but is early days for higher speed use. I think there needs to be some tests to ensure that vehicle follows UK driving regulations which may be in addition to any harmonised UNECE approval. I'm expecting several systems to gain R157 approval now the limit has been removed and its more than just traffic jam assist so much more useful.
I can't imagine anywhere I would like to go in a car that allows and would be acceptable for the car to drive a max of 37mph. Then for me to still have to be in the drivers seat, just in case... I don't think so. Level 4/5 even @ 37mph on the other hand, an urban taxi / chauffeur service becomes viable.
Tam
Well-Known Member
Hyundai is pushing for L3 for this year as well.
Initial speed would be 50 mph (80km/h) but OTA updates could increase it to 75 mph (120 km/h), the maximum legal speed in Korea.
Initial speed would be 50 mph (80km/h) but OTA updates could increase it to 75 mph (120 km/h), the maximum legal speed in Korea.
Hyundai, Kia to launch Level 3 self-driving Genesis G90, EV9 in 2023 - KED Global
Hyundai Motor's redesigned Genesis G90 South Korea’s Hyundai Motor Group will launch its most-advanced Level 3 autonomous cars next year, starting with H
www.kedglobal.com
DarkForest
10.69 made me a shill
I wonder what the overlap is between people who want to go 80+mph in an EV and people who want L3. I like to go 1 or 2 mph below the speed limit, so other cars won’t hang out near me.
Think of how Autopilot on the highway works now, but when the speed drops below 37 mph (like during a traffic jam), you wouldn’t need to hold the steering wheel or look straight ahead. And when it detects traffic picking up, it gives you a warning to begin holding the wheel again because it’s about to go past 37 mph.
Tam
Well-Known Member
Current US L3 is slow at 37 mph but it does not have to be as pointed out by others: UN R157 was amended to expand L3 usage to 80mph (130km/h).
Mercedes has been doing FSD development years before Tesla even dreamt of it. Just so you all know.
Mercedes-Benz Gets Approval to Deploy Level 3 Driving Tech in Nevada
Mercedes-Benz is the first automaker to receive regulatory approval to launch a Level 3 driver assistance system in Nevada.www.thedrive.com
“Mercedes is the first automaker to receive such approval in the U.S., beating out names like Tesla, General Motors, Ford, and even Honda”
Here is one video from 9 years ago
and these from 8 years ago
powertoold
Active Member
Correct... and since Nevada is in the Universe, it makes them:
"...the first automaker to receive such approval in the Universe"
They are going to ride the "beta" subtitle forever because it allows them to skirt accountability. Same way Fortnite is still in beta after half a decade because any bugs can be hand waved away by referencing its beta state.
How are cops supposed to know if the EQS driver is operating L3 legally or is in fact distracted driving with the L3 system turned off? I presume there is a mode indicator in the car but that's hardly visible from the outside, and how is the EQS driver supposed to prove it in either case?
Are you legally allowed to use a cellphone, "rest your eyes", read a book etc with the L3 turned on? I can imagine how fun it will be trying to say to the officer "but I had L3 engaged" but having no way to prove it.
Counter argument. Should there be a legally affixed signal light on the roof to say L3 operating?
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