Mercedes EQS Sedan: Rival to Tesla Model S

[uujjj2]

That 56 inch MBUX screen. I get the point of the screen in front of the driver. And I really like that big screen in the middle. But I don't get the little screen in front of the passenger seat. What the heck is the point of the passenger screen? Whenever I have someone in the passenger seat, they are either engaging with someone in the car, looking at scenery out the window, or looking at their phone. I have no idea why or when the passenger will be looking at the built-in screen.

 

[mk677]

That 56 inch MBUX screen. I get the point of the screen in front of the driver. And I really like that big screen in the middle. But I don't get the little screen in front of the passenger seat. What the heck is the point of the passenger screen? Whenever I have someone in the passenger seat, they are either engaging with someone in the car, looking at scenery out the window, or looking at their phone. I have no idea why or when the passenger will be looking at the built-in screen.

could the passenger screen all the passenger to control the entertainment system, the climate system, answer phone and txt messages and use the nav systems.

 

[Zer0t]

I wonder how popular the screen would be. It's rumored to be an expensvie option on the car.

 

[mk677]

I wonder how popular the screen would be. It's rumored to be an expensvie option on the car.

it's a gadget. a few cars have it, I know the taycan has it as do some ferraris, when you are spending that kind of money it isn't all that expensive

 

[Zer0t]

it's a gadget. a few cars have it, I know the taycan has it as do some ferraris, when you are spending that kind of money it isn't all that expensive

I don’t know. The car we had before our S was a 17 S550 and I’m not sure I would’ve paid for that screen if it was really expensive. S class isn’t in the price range of either of those cars.

 

[techmagnetic]

The hyperscreen is pretty damn cool, but looks so archaic at the same time. Sort of like the rear screens, dated tablet, and clumsy looking UI. There's definitely things Tesla can learn from it though - like the spatial recognition.

 

[alexgr]

Expensive toy coming right on time for another round of the rise of income inequality.
The EQS looks as a culmination excess.
1) Excess in interface.
Where is what? Do I now need a manual and a tutorial course to control all butt hugging instruments in this car?
2) Excess in technology
Should I watch the screen with all the augmented reality junk or it is actually safer to simply look out through the normal windshield?
3) Excess
High price is likely to be an attractive feature in the brave new world.

I believe that with all the tech and "luxury" overload, Mercedes may actually miss the main point that in a few years nobody will need that driver-centered tech because of the dawn of the autonomous cars and that all those butt massaging functions in the performance cars, which Mercedes is not, can be dangerously distracting.

 

[Alset Srotom]

Full reveal tomorrow. I'm excited.

 

[mk677]

Expensive toy coming right on time for another round of the rise of income inequality.

there is nothing stopping you from giving your money to those who don't have as much as you do.

 

[Zer0t]

Expensive toy coming right on time for another round of the rise of income inequality.
The EQS looks as a culmination excess.
1) Excess in interface.
Where is what? Do I now need a manual and a tutorial course to control all butt hugging instruments in this car?
2) Excess in technology
Should I watch the screen with all the augmented reality junk or it is actually safer to simply look out through the normal windshield?
3) Excess
High price is likely to be an attractive feature in the brave new world.

I believe that with all the tech and "luxury" overload, Mercedes may actually miss the main point that in a few years nobody will need that driver-centered tech because of the dawn of the autonomous cars and that all those butt massaging functions in the performance cars, which Mercedes is not, can be dangerously distracting.

It’s rumored to be priced similarly to the current ICE S class. The model X is 89,000 this should be 7-8000 more.

 

[Alset Srotom]

It’s rumored to be priced similarly to the current ICE S class. The model X is 89,000 this should be 7-8000 more.

Correct, and MB still has tax incentive, so right on par.

 

[gigawatt1010]

There are several reviews out on YouTube. I think MKBHD's review summed it best. MB is way ahead on fit, finish and luxury but lag on tech. Tesla is the opposite, way ahead on tech, but lag on fit, finish and luxury. At some point, those lines will be blurred and consumers win.

In the end, Tesla's mission is to accelerate the transition to sustainable energy. Not to create the most luxurious EV. Based on all of the legacy car makers jumping on the EV bandwagon, Tesla is accomplishing their mission. Media sees it differently, it's pitting every EV against Tesla, which is foolish.

 

[Alset Srotom]

There are several reviews out on YouTube. I think MKBHD's review summed it best. MB is way ahead on fit, finish and luxury but lag on tech. Tesla is the opposite, way ahead on tech, but lag on fit, finish and luxury. At some point, those lines will be blurred and consumers win.

In the end, Tesla's mission is to accelerate the transition to sustainable energy. Not to create the most luxurious EV. Based on all of the legacy car makers jumping on the EV bandwagon, Tesla is accomplishing their mission. Media sees it differently, it's pitting every EV against Tesla, which is foolish.

On the technology aspect, MB committed to L3 driving in the EQS in the second half of 2022.

 

[gigawatt1010]

On the technology aspect, MB committed to L3 driving in the EQS in the second half of 2022.

I don't really pay much attention or put any face value to "commitments" anymore. Especially in the car EV space.

 

[T3SLAROD]

2022 Mercedes-Benz EQS EV

2022 Mercedes-Benz EQS EV (24 photos)

www.autoblog.com

 

[FreqFlyer]

		EQS 450+	EQS 580 4MATIC
Drive system layout		Rear-wheel	All-wheel
Electric motor(s)	Model	Permanently excited synchronous motor(s) (PSM)	Permanently excited synchronous motor(s) (PSM)
Max. powertrain output[10]	kW	245	385
Max. torque transmission output	Nm	568	855
Acceleration 0-100 km/h	s	6.2	4.3
Top speed[11]	km/h	210	210
Battery energy content, usable (WLTP)	kWh	107.8	107.8
Rated voltage	Volts	396	396
Energy recovery capacity, max.[12]	kW	186	290
On-board charger (standard/option)	kW	11/22	11/22
Charging time[13] at wallbox or at public charging station (AC charging, 11/22 kW)	h	10/5	10/5
Charging time[14] at a rapid charging station (DC)	min	31	31
DC charging capacity, max.	kW	200	200
DC charging in 15 minutes[15] (WLTP)	km	Up to 300	Up to 280
Combined fuel consumption (WLTP)	kWh/100 km	20.4-15.7	21.8-17.4
CO2 emissions (WLTP)	g/km	0	0
Combined fuel consumption (NEDC)	kWh/100 km	19.1-16.0	20.0-16.9
CO2 emissions (NEDC)	g/km	0	0
Vehicle
Length/width/height	mm	5216/1926/1512	5216/1926/1512
Length/width/height (USA)	mm	5265/1926/1513	5265/1926/1513
Track front/rear	mm	1667/1682	1667/1682
Turning circle (with rear-axle steering 4.5°/10°)	m	11.9/10.9	11.9/10.9
Boot capacity, VDA	L	610-1770	610-1770
Weight in roadworthy condition[16]	kg	2480	2585
Payload	kg	465-545	475-550
Perm. gross vehicle weight	kg	2945-3025	3060-3135
cd value from		0.20[17]	0.209

 

[drtimhill]

Mercedes claims the EQS will have a Cd of 0.20. That's better than any Tesla, and better than even the Lucid Air. The caveat: German automakers have a history of lying about drag coefficients. Mercedes infamously claimed an industry-best 0.22 drag coefficient on the CLA, but the actual measured value was a mediocre 0.30 (Drag Queens: Aerodynamics Compared).

Drag coefficient also isn’t by itself a relevant measure, since its normalized for a given fixed cross-section. So two cars with the same drag coefficient will have different overall drags if their cross-sections differ (that is, the smaller car will do better than the larger one for a given drag coefficient).

 

[drtimhill]

The Verge review of the EQS was less than stellar, even though it was done by Mr “Anti-Tesla” Hawkins.

 

[Mr X]

Hideous. Two tone looks terrible.


Design looks like a squashed bug. Can't get rid of that grill either I see.


Wow lol. Tesla really does *still run this sh*t

 

[daktari]

I predict a TeslaBjorn 1000 km challenge (driving and charging) to be just below 9 hours 30 minutes. This is Norway/Sweden with 120 km/h speed limit. In Germany, one could maybe go faster and go below that. Best Tesla is Raven S LR 19" is at 9:50 atm.

In EU they will include free Ionity charging the first year.