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It'd be great if these intransigent ICE makers atleast "shoot for the stars" in their own way by making 75 mpg or even 100 mpg hybrids with minimal compromises in performance.
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Mercedes Head: Tesla Has No Network, Limited Potential (Forbes Article)
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green1
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So... they put out something designed to compete with the roadster, but with half the range at 4-5 times the price, and I can't even figure out if it's available for sale anywhere? yeah, not impressed yet. Even if you are generous enough to call that a roadster equivalent, that still puts them more than 5 years behind Tesla.
(I also find it hilarious that AMG is reported to have put in a fake engine sound generator so that there's noise inside the cab... more proof that they don't get it)
You're right, but there's no reason why someone from outside the industry should be the only one making a decent electric car.
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adiggs
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To go further ecarfan, and using your example, if one of your parent's EV's were this Merc B-class, then he WOULD be right - they WOULD need/want a second car for the rest of their driving needs.
Really a shame he hasn't figured out that people with Tesla's DON'T need a second / different car (by and large - I do realize there are people where this generalization does not apply).
Me personally - our Roadster gets almost all of our driving miles, with the gasser used for our in-town "hauling" (using a CRX as a hauler tells you the scale I work at
). As with others, switching to a second Tesla will make us an all electric household, and I can hardly wait.If it's only $150k in Oz, that isn't too bad. Import duties and taxes in Oz are off the chart for virtually all cars based on extensive conversations I've had with good friends of ours who live in Melbourne, who are car nuts. In fact, I put my reservation down on the Model S in September 2012 when my friend was visiting and took him to the Menlo Park show room. He has been anxiously awaiting the introduction of the MS Down Under since.
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When Australia's coastal cities begin to look like Venice, as they will, the "global warming is crap folks" may justifiably be subject to public hangings
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SwedishAdvocate
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I remember someone from Norway posting here on TMC somewhere that allegedly at least two of these cars have been bought by two different Norwegians.
Found this that mentions at least one sale:
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green1
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moollar
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Pricing for the Model S is apparently being announced soon for Australia. To give some context though, a Mercedes E250 starts from about AUD$105k upwards and the E400 starts from about AUD$140k upwards (per the Aus MB website). An E63 AMG S starts from about AUD$268k(!) upwards. The AUD/USD exchange rate is about 0.93 at the moment. We'll find out soon, but I think the pricing for the Model S will start somewhere just below an E250 for a base 60kWh Model S and just above the E400 for a P85 with some options. Pretty comparable to the Mercedes E-Class then.
Once we start getting "bums in seats", I think the Model S will start to eat into its peers' market share in Australia like it is internationally, including the Mercedes E-Class. Compared to the Mercedes S-Class, the Model S is going to be a bargain in Australia! The S-Class starts from AUD$209k for a base S300 BlueTec Hybrid up to over AUD$408k(!!!) for a base S63 AMG. This is a prime example of what people refer to as the "Australia Tax", where companies have stupidly high prices, compared to international pricing, for no apparent reason in Australia (even after applying actual Australian taxes). Mercedes had better watch out down under with their uber-stupid Aussie pricing. They got some 'splaining to do.....
The only drawback to initially owning a Model S in Australia is the lack of a Supercharger network. Hopefully that will be addressed by Tesla in short order.
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TesAus
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And this is a benefit of Tesla's focus on lowering overheads.
The price is fixed.
Add currency hedge.
Figure out whether there are enough sales to justify compliance costs.
If so, figure out whether there are enough sales for a store and a service center.
If so, start selling.
Figure out whether there are enough sales, or enough dependency on Superchargers: if so start building.
It's much easier when you don't spend much on marketing.
Australia, of course, depends on the larger RHD markets, which includes Japan, and that depends on the CHAdeMO adapter being approved and available in volume. And Tesla's current priority is China, so that's holding up RHD.
I guess he is right in part. I have one car but I have to have a 4wd pickup for my farm. But wait, a luxury MB could haul hay and a tractor? Passing off Tesla as a toy for rich kids who will pick up the next cool toy is wishful thinking on his part. I suspect that a good number of Tesla buyers replaced standard sedans with an MS. I sold my 2006 Nissan Altima. I wouldn't have considered buying a MB BMW or Porsche if i hadn't bought the MS. I probably would have bought a Maxima.
Jaff
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Same here...hey, that MB dude is smarter than I thought! :wink::biggrin:
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This is what killed the dinosaurs, wasn't it? :wink:
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This is what killed the dinosaurs, wasn't it? :wink:
tdelta1000
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The comments are interesting coming from a company head that uses Tesla tech to advance their product line.
AC1K
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"but if you’re a Tesla buyer, you have to have multiple cars"
and exactly what is my other car? ive had my Tesla nearly a year and i've never needed another car
and exactly what is my other car? ive had my Tesla nearly a year and i've never needed another car
The head of Mercedes USA has a point. Tesla must establish itself with an infrastructure of charging stations and service facilities before an established manufacturer decides to manufacture and distribute an electric vehicle comparable in elegance and performance to the Model S. Judging from the speed in which the Supercharger network is building out, as well as the priority and urgency given to the gigafactory battery plan, Tesla's leadership appears to be well aware that it is in a race against time.
If they wait that long it will be too late. Superchargers are eye-catching monoliths, very visible and great for raising brand awareness. The general public will start to register that they are seeing them everywhere.
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