StraightDave
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Send me a PM if you want a 3. I have a day one reservation and will sell to highest bidder
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Nice post, very civil.
I think there is a 3rd approach. Like an online petition or a class action suit. I do think that simply returning the deposit to a consumer is not a full rememdy and does not hold Tesla to account for their “bait and switch”. Why not just do the financial math properly and let people know that they will get a chance at more expensive car first and the actual $35k car will be later because of economics.
Over promising that approaches fraud is not acceptable.
I really think Elon(at this point) is way more obsessed with stock value than saving the planet.
OMG I would hope that people who start class action lawsuits like suggested and who lose have to pay out of their pockets for all legal fees. I would consider this a nuisance lawsuit. This is not a case of bait and switch. This is not vaporware. No one has stolen your money or won't give it back. I am sure a $35,000 car will be offered at the base price. People will have to wait due to production issues on a first of its kind newly built automobile. Geez maybe Tesla and other manufacturers don't have a crystal ball and can't say for certain how production issues will shake out. The sense of entitlement from some people is astounding.
As a reminder for some folks, as I posted at Might order my 3 soon, very begrudgingly., in reservations FAQ from July 31, 2017 claimedIf Tesla had made the $35K base model available right away, like they should have done, I wonder what percentage of the currently placed orders to date would have gone for the base model, and what percentage for the more expensive version. Yes, it would take Tesla a little longer to make their money back that way, but the money is sitting there waiting. They'll get it sooner or later, and not annoy a lot of customers in the process.
I haven't re-watched the entire unveil from March 2016, but fromAdditional configurations, including the Model 3 with standard equipment for $35,000, will become available as production ramps, which we expect to be in November 2017.
Elon claims deliveries begin next year, which would be 2017 and at around 17:14, he said the price would be $35,000.
Nope. I don't even have a deposit in for a Model 3. I have no plans to until the 3 has been in the hands of real customers for at least 6 months to a year to see how the reliability is. That means I'd be waiting a LONG time or perhaps will never get a 3. That's ok by me. So, far the signs aren't looking good and I'm not happy with the controls (e.g. wiper controls, cruise control and so much being on that center touchscreen) so never is actually more likely.You gonna sue Elon for damages, emotional pain & suffering and loss of a companion for not having your $35,000 Model 3 in your hands already?
As I posted here, Tesla is not going to inflict self harm to assuage your sense of entitlement.
Economic Study: If Model 3 was NOT for resale, did you purchase EAP?
Doesn't sound like entitlement to me if folks expect a $35K car by this point when Elon says deliveries starting 2017 and $35K. And, later, the FAQ claims the $35K car will be available Nov 2017.When can I test drive Model 3?
We will provide the opportunity to get behind the wheel of Model 3 once we begin production at the end of 2017. In the meantime, we invite you to stop by a Tesla store to experience Model S or Model X.
If Tesla had made the $35K base model available right away, like they should have done, I wonder what percentage of the currently placed orders to date would have gone for the base model, and what percentage for the more expensive version. Yes, it would take Tesla a little longer to make their money back that way, but the money is sitting there waiting. They'll get it sooner or later, and not annoy a lot of customers in the process.
Nope. I don't even have a deposit in for a Model 3. I have no plans to until the 3 has been in the hands of real customers for at least 6 months to a year to see how the reliability is. That means I'd be waiting a LONG time or perhaps will never get a 3. That's ok by me. So, far the signs aren't looking good and I'm not happy with the controls (e.g. wiper controls, cruise control and so much being on that center touchscreen) so never is actually more likely.
Entitlement? Crazy talk! Very few mass market vehicles (perhaps 0 or near 0?) are announced and introduced in this way w/missed dates and expensive versions still only being the choices available for pickup or order more than 7 months after the 1st "production" cars.
They didn't even make good on test drives from Model 3 Reservations FAQ.
Doesn't sound like entitlement to me if folks expect a $35K car by this point when Elon says deliveries starting 2017 and $35K. And, later, the FAQ claims the $35K car will be available Nov 2017.
Right. Tesla has used the words "mass market" NUMEROUS times to describe the Model 3, such as at the below:You take it too litterally and don’t know what mass market means in the context of Tesla. Model 3 is going after the entry level luxury sedan market of 3 series, a series and c class. This is not a persons first car in high school.
Model 3 is not mass market, not this year. But mass market Tesla just sounds better than “more greatly accessible Tesla!”
That's fine by me. I've seen Tesla's past history in terms of reliability. It would've surprised me if it were good. Six months would've been way too early anyway. Not interested in giving Tesla a $1K interest free loan not held in escrow at this point now nor any time before.The fact that you don’t even have a deposit in shows your poor planning. What if it was excellent after six months. You are out of position to get a car.
You keep using that word but I'm not sure you know what it means. You sure like attacking people, don't you?If you feel this entitled without even a chip at the table - an actual reservation would make you think you could walk around Fremont like you own it?
What is your source for this claim? About 90% of Tesla owners I know in Austin who reserved a Model 3 have NOT deferred theirs— they have just received theirs or it’s coming later this month.Roughly 90 percent of previous Tesla owners deferred on the first production build. They either want a 35k toy Model 3 or AWD or a P Model 3.
You should ask for a refund and let the next person in line have that car. That would be the honest (straight) thing to do.Send me a PM if you want a 3. I have a day one reservation and will sell to highest bidder
Sense of entitlement? Unbelievable! It’s not entitled to hold companies accountable. It is the companies sense of entitlement that leads companies to abuse consumers for profit.
I’m not sure how you could be more wrong.
I put down my $1000 on Day 1 of reservations, and I've been waiting 2 years, so YES I am entitled! At least in some way of a current non-owner. Current Tesla owners would be a higher entitlement level.
Send me a PM if you want a 3. I have a day one reservation and will sell to highest bidder
You should ask for a refund and let the next person in line have that car. That would be the honest (straight) thing to do.
What is your source for this claim? About 90% of Tesla owners I know in Austin who reserved a Model 3 have NOT deferred theirs— they have just received theirs or it’s coming later this month.
Non owner configurations would not have opened up this early if myself and the majority of other reservationst took 1st run.
Not quite sure what you mean there, but I am a non-owner, non-employee, I got my reservation in the first 10 minutes on 3/31/16, and I had my config email 3 weeks ago. And I'm east coast, too.
Tesla is selling its cars to everyone at the same pricing announced once it becomes available. No haggling on price. I get some people can't wait until their desired version gets produced and is available to order.