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Milestones compared to other car startups

Discussion in 'Tesla Motors' started by TEG, Aug 27, 2007.

  1. TEG

    TEG TMC Moderator

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    (Copied from the Tesla blogs):

    Ryan Lamansky / Kardax wrote:
    • If Tesla starts production, they should pass Tucker quickly–only 51 cars were made. Tucker is a pretty easy target for any automotive startup
    • In the first year of Roadster production, Tesla would build more cars than the entire world fleet of hydrogen fuel cell prototypes.
    • Within 2 or 3 years of Roadster production, Tesla will probably build more cars than all of the big automakers did in the California ZEV mandate glory days.
    • Passing De Lorean will take some work, though… roughly 9000 DMC-12s were made. Tesla can get there eventually just selling Roadsters, but it’ll probably be the future sedan model that accomplishes this milestone.
     
  2. graham

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    From tomsax' Seattle town hall notes:
    Does "Signature #38" mean 38 beyond the Founders 27 (meaning production car 38 + 17 = 65). And "entering production" means 6ish weeks from delivery? This would mean we should be very close to surpassing the Tucker 51 cars today. Perhaps in another two or three weeks?
     
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    According to this:

    19 Electric Car Players Pitch San Francisco Earth2Tech

    San Francisco mayor Gavin Newsom gets #51 (The "Tucker" number) in a few weeks:

     
  4. Kardax

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    Here's a more complete list of possible milestones from another thread:

    Vector: 35 cars
    Tucker: 51 cars
    Corbin: 300 sparrows
    RAV4 EV: 600 cars
    EV1: 1171 cars
    De Lorean: 9000 cars
    Edsel: 120000 cars
    Hudson: 300000 cars in one year

    I think "TUCKER" would be a good vanity plate for P-51 :)

    -Ryan
     
  5. vfx

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    Tesla VS X

    With the Tesla Roadster hitting 100 cars delivered it might be nice to note the count of unique cars so we can mark Tesla Milestones.

    I looked around for a list car startups and production volumes.

    Until a list appears we know.

    Tucker 51 cars

    Delorean 9000

    Amphibicar 4000
     
  6. GSP

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    Here is a list that Kardax posted earlier:

    "Here's a more complete list of possible milestones from another thread:

    Vector: 35 cars
    Tucker: 51 cars
    Corbin: 300 sparrows
    RAV4 EV: 600 cars
    EV1: 1171 cars
    De Lorean: 9000 cars
    Edsel: 120000 cars
    Hudson: 300000 cars in one year

    I think "TUCKER" would be a good vanity plate for P-51 :)

    -Ryan"
     
  7. vfx

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    #7 vfx, Dec 7, 2008
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    (more stolen posts)
    Lamborghini was doing between 2,000 to 3,000 annually before this recession.

    Automobili Lamborghini Anounces Another Record Year
    2,087 sold in 2006.
    But they also have 100 dealers selling the cars worldwide.

    According to this article, they are up to 2,400 worldwide in early 2008.

    Maserati is doing about 7,000 cars per year.
    This recent article also says that Lamborghini is down 15% and Bentley is down 30%.

    Maserati is too Sexy (and Smart) for the Recession | Autopia from Wired.com

    It looks like Ferrari is around 6,000 to 7,000 with 200+ dealerships.
     
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    #9 vfx, Dec 22, 2008
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    [*]Alpine (France)
    [*]Ariel (UK)
    [*]Ascari (UK)
    [*]Austin-Healey (UK)
    [*]Bricklin (Canada)
    [*]Caterham (UK)
    [*]Clan (UK)
    [*]Cunningham (USA)
    [*]Darrian/Davrian Cars (UK)
    [*]Ferrari (Italy)
    [*]Fisker (USA)
    [*]FYK (Norway)
    [*]Gillet (Belgium)
    [*]Gumpert (Germany)
    [*]Koenigsegg (Sweden)<<<(Holds special merit for me)
    [*]Lamborghini (Italy)
    [*]Leopard (Poland)
    [*]Lotus Cars (UK)
    [*]Marcos (UK)
    [*]Morgan (UK)
    [*]Mosler (USA)
    [*]Noble (UK)
    [*]Pagani (Italy)
    [*]Quantum Sports Cars (UK)
    [*]Rochdale (UK)
    [*]Tesla Motors (USA)<<<(Holds special merit for me)
    [*]TMC (Ireland)
    [*]Spyker Cars (The Netherlands)
    [*]TVR (UK)
    [*]Ultima Sports (UK)
    [*]Vector (USA)
    [*]Venturi (France)
    [*]Westfield Sportscars (UK)
    [/LIST]




    Here are a bunch more small run sports car makers that would be good to compare sales numbers to Tesla.

    Alpine (France)
    Ariel (UK)
    Ascari (UK)
    Austin-Healey (UK)
    Bricklin (Canada)
    Caterham (UK)
    Clan (UK)
    Cunningham (USA)
    Darrian/Davrian Cars (UK)
    Ferrari (Italy)
    Fisker (USA)
    FYK (Norway)
    Gillet (Belgium)
    Gumpert (Germany)
    Koenigsegg (Sweden)<<<(Holds special merit for me)
    Lamborghini (Italy)
    Leopard (Poland)
    Lotus Cars (UK)
    Marcos (UK)
    Morgan (UK)
    Mosler (USA)
    Noble (UK)
    Pagani (Italy)
    Quantum Sports Cars (UK)
    Rochdale (UK)
    Tesla Motors (USA)
    TMC (Ireland)
    Spyker Cars (The Netherlands)
    TVR (UK)
    Ultima Sports (UK)
    Vector (USA)
    Venturi (France)
    Westfield Sportscars (UK)
     
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    #10 vfx, Dec 31, 2008
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    This page says Ferrari normally sells 600 or cars a month in boom time but with the 2008 end of year recession, that number was down to 92 cars sold worldwide in November.


    ***************

    This article says
     
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    250 Roadsters delivered now? Closing in on the Corbin sparrow!
     
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    I wonder what the current number of the "Sparrow" is now that it is known as the NMG. Have they sold many of them?

    ETA: How many RAV4s were actually sold vs leased? It should be a milestone when Tesla passes that number too.
     
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    Good questions. I'm sure one of the TMC members will know or can find out.
     
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    #15 stopcrazypp, Mar 19, 2009
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    For the NMG the most recent number I could find was "more than 300" as of July 15th, 2007: Myers Freeway Capable NMG by Ed Ring - EcoWorld

    They initially planned to hit 500-1000 vehicles a year but I'm guessing they never hit that target or they would have more press about it.

    RAV4EV numbers according to wikipedia; only 328 were sold in total, 1247 leased:
    1997 69 (fleet lease only)
    1998 359 (fleet lease only)
    1999 255 (fleet lease only)
    2000 106 (fleet lease only)
    2001 160 (fleet lease only)
    2002 - 1st half 218 (fleet lease) plus 147 (sold/lease-purchase)
    2002 - 2nd half 82* (fleet lease) plus 153 (sold/lease-purchase)
    2003 - 1st half 28 (sold/lease-purchase)
    Total 1575*

    Kind of off-topic:
    Toyota.com : Vehicles : RAV4EV
    "Although a significant marketing effort was undertaken for the RAV4-EV, we only sold about 300 vehicles a year."

    Really off-topic:
    Hmm, sounds like what GM said about the EV-1. I didn't see any advertising about the RAV4-EV in the years it was actually sold. I bet almost all non-EV-enthusiasts knew nothing about the RAV4-EV in those year, nor have they seen the ads. I don't call that significant marketing effort. Of course they were losing money on every car anyways so I can see why they don't want to spend more money on advertising.
     
  16. Kevin Harney

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    #16 Kevin Harney, Mar 19, 2009
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    So by July 1 they will have probably passed the RAV 4's sold and be really close to the Sparrow (NMG) sales figures. AND - i just realized this - by the end of the year they will have probably passed the EV1 numbers. That is COOL !!! They will be able to claim "more highway capable EV's sold than any other company"
     
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    Possibly. What about the turn of the century EVs? There were taxi fleets in Boston, Paris, and a few other hubs.

    Perhaps,
    "more highway capable EV's on the road than any other company"

    works as well. (for now!)
     
  18. Kevin Harney

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    I am pretty sure that they have passed Corbin now. And probably passed the number of RAV4's that SOLD or will do so in the next few days. I think you could argue that the cars sold before the turn of the century were not highway capable. Next step EV1's produced and then very shortly thereafter RAV4's produced. movin' on up ....
     
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    Yes, I think that Tesla will hit those numbers in short order.

    I worry that (due to the economy and other things) there will be a bit of a drought after they deliver their current backlog. But they do seem on track to pass the EV1 numbers before the end of 2009!

    Interesting thing about this list of car milestones: Each of these only had one model (although I know many had different revisions of the same model). Now that Tesla officially has multiple different models, we will have interesting milestones.

    The Roadster will probably not pass the number of De Loreans before the Model S hits the streets, so we will have:
    When number of Tesla cars > number of De Loreans
    When the number of Roadsters > number of De Loreans
    When number of Model S alone > number of DeLoreans
    etc.
     
  20. Kevin Harney

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    also depends on if you count the number sold or the number delivered. Model S has already past all the same numbers if you only count the deposits. But that is not really fair. Model S and Roadsters combined would put us past RAV4 and EV1 already.
     

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